New James Bond Movie

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Brosnan is underrated because, to me, he comes across as the most intelligent out of the bunch. I still think Connery's the best because he's just a fucking man. It needs to be a combination of looks, wit, charm, masculinity, and looking like you can whip most guys without a problem.

How about we give the Aussies another shot with Chris Hemsworth? He should work on a proper English accent. He might even draw in capeshit fans to the franchise.

My father really loved Brosnan. That's sacrilege in Scotland, especially because Pierce was Irish.

But I get why he did. Brosnan nearly got the part before Dalton, but when NBC renewed Remington Steele after hearing word about the possible Brosnan hire, at the 11th hour the producers ended talks. There was no way it would work.

As stated earlier, I loved Dalton's interpretation, despite the weak scripts. He nearly took over in For Your Eyes Only before Moore came back again, and with that script being more serious, it would have been PERFECT for Tim Dalton. For Moore it was... Odd, but he did pretty well. Just hate that opening stinger.

 

[Riccardo Bosi]

My father really loved Brosnan. That's sacrilege in Scotland, especially because Pierce was Irish.

But I get why he did. Brosnan nearly got the part before Dalton, but when NBC renewed Remington Steele after hearing word about the possible Brosnan hire, at the 11th hour the producers ended talks. There was no way it would work.

I had no idea about the Remington Steele thing, nor that Brosnan was even Irish. I always thought Daniel Craig was Irish and Brosnan was Welsh, but it's the other way around.

The first Bond I watched was Goldeneye, so I've always associated the franchise with him mostly. I think aesthetically he's the most Bond-like of them all.

 

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I had no idea about the Remington Steele thing, nor that Brosnan was even Irish. I always thought Daniel Craig was Irish and Brosnan was Welsh, but it's the other way around.

The first Bond I watched was Goldeneye, so I've always associated the franchise with him mostly. I think aesthetically he's the most Bond-like of them all.

Craig, in behavior, is closest to the books - until you get to SPECTRE. You don't want to watch SPECTRE. If you do, stop at the opening scene - DON'T FUCKING WATCH SPECTRE. It's awful.

Dalton, though, was subtler but I think better. He was hamstrung by the scripts still trying to figure out who his Bond would be; Dalton was adamant he wanted a serious 007, but Moore's run was still at the top of everyone's mind. Again, as middling as his two were (and Licence to Kill was more an 80's action film than a Bond film), the moments were there. I just don't think it was the right time yet.

Connery's best were Dr. No and From Russia With Love. I'm an outcast for not liking Goldfinger, which everyone else seems to adore. It's an entertaining film, I'll give it that, but it's not really Bond. Even Lazenby's interpretation was better than later Connery.

 

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I had no idea about the Remington Steele thing, nor that Brosnan was even Irish. I always thought Daniel Craig was Irish and Brosnan was Welsh, but it's the other way around.

The first Bond I watched was Goldeneye, so I've always associated the franchise with him mostly. I think aesthetically he's the most Bond-like of them all.

Craig's English. He has some French and Welsh blood but then so does practically everyone in England. The Welsh are the indigenous Britons and the Normans invaded after the Anglo-Saxons. Plus you had waves of Huguenot (persecuted French Protestants) immigration to England. Craig is from Cheshire, which is about as English as it gets. Saying you're English is considered a statement of near-Fascism in British media circles so whoever writes his wiki page would make sure to mention any other ancestry. The "Welsh" Bond is Timothy Dalton, in as much as he was born there, but even he had an English father and American mother.

 

[Riccardo Bosi]

Craig, in behavior, is closest to the books - until you get to SPECTRE. You don't want to watch SPECTRE. If you do, stop at the opening scene - DON'T FUCKING WATCH SPECTRE. It's awful.

Dalton, though, was subtler but I think better. He was hamstrung by the scripts still trying to figure out who his Bond would be; Dalton was adamant he wanted a serious 007, but Moore's run was still at the top of everyone's mind. Again, as middling as his two were (and Licence to Kill was more an 80's action film than a Bond film), the moments were there. I just don't think it was the right time yet.

Connery's best were Dr. No and From Russia With Love. I'm an outcast for not liking Goldfinger, which everyone else seems to adore. It's an entertaining film, I'll give it that, but it's not really Bond. Even Lazenby's interpretation was better than later Connery.

I think I mentioned it earlier in this thread, but did like how in Skyfall they addressed that Bond had succumbed to the deluge of alcoholism and addiction. Like, oh yeah, he's a human being that's in a meat grinder for his job.

I've watched all the Craig ones but I only remember that one and Casino Royale.

Craig's English. He has some French and Welsh blood but then so does practically everyone in England. The Welsh are the indigenous Britons and the Normans invaded after the Anglo-Saxons. Plus you had waves of Huguenot (persecuted French Protestants) immigration to England. Craig is from Cheshire, which is about as English as it gets. Saying you're English is considered a statement of near-Fascism in British media circles so whoever writes his wiki page would make sure to mention any other ancestry. The "Welsh" Bond is Timothy Dalton, in as much as he was born there, but even he had an English father and American mother.

Ah I see. I just checked his Wiki page, which of course has no context.

 

[IGotATreeOnMyHouse85]

My father really loved Brosnan. That's sacrilege in Scotland, especially because Pierce was Irish.

But I get why he did. Brosnan nearly got the part before Dalton, but when NBC renewed Remington Steele after hearing word about the possible Brosnan hire, at the 11th hour the producers ended talks. There was no way it would work.

As stated earlier, I loved Dalton's interpretation, despite the weak scripts. He nearly took over in For Your Eyes Only before Moore came back again, and with that script being more serious, it would have been PERFECT for Tim Dalton. For Moore it was... Odd, but he did pretty well. Just hate that opening stinger.

I’ve read a lot about the Bond movies from a casting / production angle and it’s very interesting how they were going to go with a different bond over Moore in the early 80s but Connery did “Never Say Never Again” which he played Bond due to some rights loophole it wasn’t part of the Bond franchise and in a panic they went back to Moore who was getting way too old. Dalton got a shit deal as Bond since he never got a 3rd movie due to long delays related to the a big rights issue after one of the heads of the franchise died. I think License To Kill was the last Bond movie that many of the original guys behind the scenes worked on. They say with Bond the third movie for the actor is when they really get it together (Goldfinger, World Is Not Enough, The Spy Who Loved Me, Skyfall) and Dalton never got that 3rd movie which I’m guessing would have been Goldeneye.

Also interesting to note that pretty much every Bond casting choice got an initial negative reaction from the fans. From Connery (he was Scottish, not British!) all the way to Daniel Craig (He’s Blonde! Bonds not Blonde!) and to think James Brolin almost played Bond is crazy.

 

[IGotATreeOnMyHouse85]

Craig, in behavior, is closest to the books - until you get to SPECTRE. You don't want to watch SPECTRE. If you do, stop at the opening scene - DON'T FUCKING WATCH SPECTRE. It's awful.

Dalton, though, was subtler but I think better. He was hamstrung by the scripts still trying to figure out who his Bond would be; Dalton was adamant he wanted a serious 007, but Moore's run was still at the top of everyone's mind. Again, as middling as his two were (and Licence to Kill was more an 80's action film than a Bond film), the moments were there. I just don't think it was the right time yet.

Connery's best were Dr. No and From Russia With Love. I'm an outcast for not liking Goldfinger, which everyone else seems to adore. It's an entertaining film, I'll give it that, but it's not really Bond. Even Lazenby's interpretation was better than later Connery.

I’ve grown to like Lazenby’s one and only Bond movie, while he wasn’t the best actor it was an important part of the story (Bond actually getting married which has been referenced in other movies after) which made in a sense human. The stress and effect of his job is touched on in other movies but is overshadowed by other things. Lazenby decided to not return as Bond because Easy Rider had come out and he felt that the “Bond” type movies were now going to be seen as outdated and out of touch. While it sounds crazy now after Bond movies are still made 50 years later at the time you could look at Easy Rider as a sign of what’s to come and see Bond as something no longer relevant. Ahhhh but what do I know?

 

[CarolMaxheinie]

I love the Bond series. Daniel Craig has made exactly one watchable one in my opinion (Skyfall). The series is dead.

 

[CarolMaxheinie]

I’ve grown to like Lazenby’s one and only Bond movie, while he wasn’t the best actor it was an important part of the story (Bond actually getting married which has been referenced in other movies after) which made in a sense human. The stress and effect of his job is touched on in other movies but is overshadowed by other things. Lazenby decided to not return as Bond because Easy Rider had come out and he felt that the “Bond” type movies were now going to be seen as outdated and out of touch. While it sounds crazy now after Bond movies are still made 50 years later at the time you could look at Easy Rider as a sign of what’s to come and see Bond as something no longer relevant. Ahhhh but what do I know?

On Her Majesty’s Secret Service is awesome. The secondary theme ("We Have All the Time in the World") is my favorite usage of music in film ever. I gotta rewatch that…it’s been awhile.

 

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I’ve read a lot about the Bond movies from a casting / production angle and it’s very interesting how they were going to go with a different bond over Moore in the early 80s but Connery did “Never Say Never Again” which he played Bond due to some rights loophole it wasn’t part of the Bond franchise and in a panic they went back to Moore who was getting way too old. Dalton got a shit deal as Bond since he never got a 3rd movie due to long delays related to the a big rights issue after one of the heads of the franchise died. I think License To Kill was the last Bond movie that many of the original guys behind the scenes worked on. They say with Bond the third movie for the actor is when they really get it together (Goldfinger, World Is Not Enough, The Spy Who Loved Me, Skyfall) and Dalton never got that 3rd movie which I’m guessing would have been Goldeneye.

Also interesting to note that pretty much every Bond casting choice got an initial negative reaction from the fans. From Connery (he was Scottish, not British!) all the way to Daniel Craig (He’s Blonde! Bonds not Blonde!) and to think James Brolin almost played Bond is crazy.

Boy, I'm gonna get long winded here, but I'll start at your first:

Kevin McClory Co-wrote Thunderball with Ian Fleming. Due to lawsuits between Fleming and the Broccolis/Saltzman (the movie producers), McClory retained ownership of SPECTRE, and a co-ownership of the Thunderball story and its use on film - but ONLY that story. So he worked for two decades to get a remake of Thunderball made, which is what "Never Say Never Again" was. And he tried to do it AGAIN in the early 90's, this time with Dalton, but that failed. He ultimately sold the rights to Sony, who in a long-drawn out deal trying to clean up the Spider-Man rights, traded their Thunderball and Casino Royale rights (the only other story the Broccolis had no rights to) in return for MGM rescinding any Spider-Man film rights they had. Fuck, anyway...

So, as I said, For Your Eyes Only should've been Dalton's first, but Moore came back. When word about "NSNA" got out with Connery, Dalton was out of the question - Cubby Broccoli was adamant they had to bring Roger Moore back, so they did. And while neither movies are all that great, Octopussy made more money, so they technically "won". But then Moore came back for "A View to A Kill" at 58 and any goodwill was gone after that shit.

Dalton got fucked. My Dad hated his Bond, but I loved it. There was a third film being written, but MGM ran into financial issues (not their first time); later on, the soon-to-be new owners of MGM ran into problems financially and tried to build capital by pre-selling international TV rights to the Bond films at a low rate without the Broccoli's permission, as they would be denied profits from that while being the true rights holders. MGM-owned United Artists only had a specific distribution deal with them going all the way back to '62. That locked them up in court for years and when it was done, Dalton walked away. No script was ever set in stone though. It was changed multiple times from multiple writers, and none were like Goldeneye.

Yeah, Brolin, Sam Neil, even Adam West had been approached for the role over the decades. West was famous for telling the producers outright that Bond "should always be British". I don't even buy into the "Bond should always be white" thing - to me, just get the best actor and don't change the soul of the character, I could care less if you get a black or white man - but Bond should probably be British heritage.

One last thing while I'm rambling (God, I need a concert soon): Fleming hated Connery's casting. He was against it from day one and told Cubby Broccoli and Harry Saltzman such, but after seeing Dr. No, he admitted he was wrong and wrote Bond's father into the books as being of Scottish heritage. Funny, how an actually successful man without a Twitter account could let the whole world know he happily ate crow...

 

[UnPRePared]

On Her Majesty’s Secret Service is awesome. The secondary theme ("We Have All the Time in the World") is my favorite usage of music in film ever. I gotta rewatch that…it’s been awhile.

I love OHMSS. It might even be my favorite. I think Lazenby regretted listening to his manager, and he should - her stumbled into a gift and cocked it up. He was a born natural.

It's also the only Bond film Peter Hunt, formerly the series editor, directed, and he was amazing. Dynamic shots and blocking, far better than the previous films.

 

[IGotATreeOnMyHouse85]

I love OHMSS. It might even be my favorite. I think Lazenby regretted listening to his manager, and he should - her stumbled into a gift and cocked it up. He was a born natural.

It's also the only Bond film Peter Hunt, formerly the series editor, directed, and he was amazing. Dynamic shots and blocking, far better than the previous films.

That’s another great thing about OHMSS that has “held up” is the quality of the shots and locations used. Especially in HD / 4K it really shows they put a lot of time into making it look amazing. For a movie from 1969 it still looks great and better than movies made decades after. Kind of like how James Cameron was super focused on the special effects in Terminator 2 and making them look great and they’ve held up years after the movie. You now watch some movies from a couple years ago and the effects are already outdated.

 

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That’s another great thing about OHMSS that has “held up” is the quality of the shots and locations used. Especially in HD / 4K it really shows they put a lot of time into making it look amazing. For a movie from 1969 it still looks great and better than movies made decades after. Kind of like how James Cameron was super focused on the special effects in Terminator 2 and making them look great and they’ve held up years after the movie. You now watch some movies from a couple years ago and the effects are already outdated.

It's probably the greatest What If of the entire series.

What if Lazenby stayed? What if they continued with the new tone they were setting? What if Hunt came back for a second time, as well?

In the end, it's still another Bond film, but there was so much promise there... The cinematography and editing were amazing. The story pacing and character work were allowed to breathe. Bond, especially when he was scared at the ice rink, finally appeared vulnerable, yet in his fights and even in the opener when he got on one knee to shoot, he was finally like a real soldier (which Lazenby was). He let his guard down to love, and then when he was finally given happiness, his actions from his "former" career took it all away.

It really could've worked. Instead we got campy Moore, who I enjoyed for what he was ("Spy Who Loved Me" & "For Your Eyes Only" are entertaining), but I would have traded that in to see Lazenby grow into the role.

 

[AntSucks]

I watched Spectre only because Quentin Tarantino said he really dug it. So I watched it and then I remembered: "Oh yeah, Tarantino thinks Uma Thurman's feet look good"

 

[IGotATreeOnMyHouse85]

It's probably the greatest What If of the entire series.

What if Lazenby stayed? What if they continued with the new tone they were setting? What if Hunt came back for a second time, as well?

In the end, it's still another Bond film, but there was so much promise there... The cinematography and editing were amazing. The story pacing and character work were allowed to breathe. Bond, especially when he was scared at the ice rink, finally appeared vulnerable, yet in his fights and even in the opener when he got on one knee to shoot, he was finally like a real soldier (which Lazenby was). He let his guard down to love, and then when he was finally given happiness, his actions from his "former" career took it all away.

It really could've worked. Instead we got campy Moore, who I enjoyed for what he was ("Spy Who Loved Me" & "For Your Eyes Only" are entertaining), but I would have traded that in to see Lazenby grow into the role.

It’s true, with Lazenbys Bond they purposely cut back on the gadgets and such and made him seem more like a person and character that has grown. He could fight but also could be unsure of himself in situations. They could have really done a lot with this more “natural” Bond but I think just the time wasn’t right. Plus back then the idea of anyone else but Connery playing Bond was such a shock to the audience and I think Lazenby knew no matter what he did as Bond it would only be compared as not as good to Connery. Then before you know it its Rogrr Moore and they just decided to make 007 a bit of a joke and eventually put Bond in Space since Star Wars was a hit.

 

[Hamburger Jones]

Around the time Craig was first cast as Bond there were a lot of rumours about Clive Owen being the favourite for the role.

Dumb cunts should've chosen him instead, Children of Men was a great movie & both seasons of The Knick were underrated as fuck.

 

[Will Tate]

If you've never seen it there's an interesting documentary on the Bond series called Everything or Nothing, it details the Bond series from Fleming's books all the way up to and past Craig being cast in the role. Done with cooperation from EON Films and the Broccoli family, they got every Bond except Connery to be interviewed, along with Broccoli's and Saltzman's kids. It's pretty good if you're into the behind-the-scenes stuff like I am, they go into some of what Ray talked about regarding Kevin McLory and the rights to Thunderball and that shit.

 

[analeggsalad]

I watched Spectre only because Quentin Tarantino said he really dug it. So I watched it and then I remembered: "Oh yeah, Tarantino thinks Uma Thurman's feet look good"

I never knew it until his recent fake spotify Joe Rogan "podcast" (fake "podcast" shielded from votes and comments), but he's married to an Israeli. He's all in with the Judaism. The pathetic racial masochism in Django Unchained and Hateful 8 made a little more sense after hearing that

 

[LingerLonger]

I never knew it until his recent fake spotify Joe Rogan "podcast" (fake "podcast" shielded from votes and comments), but he's married to an Israeli. He's all in with the Judaism. The pathetic racial masochism in Django Unchained and Hateful 8 made a little more sense after hearing that

Every good movie Tarantino made was financed by Harvey Weinstein or some other kike rapist weirdo and was entirely ripped off from other movies. Scorsese was the same. Just taking mafia books and crime movies and stamping his name on them like he created the stories himself. The Departed is one of the most overrated movies of all time. When they make original movies and ideas they become pure mediocre trash.

Most of the big name Hollywood directors are untalented losers. The (((media))) basically tells you who are the most talented with awards like Oscars but in reality they are just handing out trophies to politically and socially connected people. Mostly kikes and their pets. You look at artists from the renaissance era or classical composers and everything they did was incredible and always at a high artistic and technical level. Yet supposed contemporary geniuses in Hollywood produce mostly worthless material and rarely make anything worthwhile. Because they do not have innate talent. They just steal whatever can be stolen. Sometimes it is good, most of the time it is bad.

David Chase based Livia Soprano entirely on his own mother. No ripping off of other people. No licensing a story from a book or foreign film. Just his own life experiences. Guys like Tarantino and Scorsese are filmschool faggots with no life experiences.

 

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The (((media))) basically tells you who are the most talented with awards like Oscars but in reality they are just handing out trophies to politically and socially connected people.

Shakespeare In Love won the 1998 Best Picture Oscar over Saving Private Ryan and The Thin Red Line. The Truman Show wasn't even a finalist. Weinstein produced Shakespeare In Love. Right there tells anyone everything they need to know about the Oscars.