I wanna see the debtor's movie!

[CompoundBasement]

Yeah, wasn't that remark even kinda backhanded? I remember the hearing going along the lines of Pat's lawyers pointing at a screenshot and saying: "Look what DiggerNick69 said about my client!", and Stein responding: "That's fine and all, and you'd have a decent case if you were suing DiggerNick69. However, the question at hand is whether any defamation was done by John Doe 1 and so far you've still not produced any evidence to the positive."

I know I'm a broken record but it's fucking astounding looking back and seeing just how badly he fucked up his case by including Quasi. You can't compile an elaborate suit with 60 defendants with multiple charges each and then have absolutely zero dirt on your prime suspect, the guy on which the whole remainder of the suit hinges on.

It was clearly always primarily about trying to shut down this website. He takes credit for the O&A sub getting suspended, even though that's a lie and he's not responsible for it getting suspended. He takes victory laps every time one of his Twitter trolls is suspended. He celebrates with his fellow lolcows whenever KiwiFarms goes offline.

Ol' 1.7 is too stupid to grasp when one place is shut down, several pop up in its place. The only way you beat trolls is by not feeding them, but he cannot wrap his smoothbrain around that fact.

 

[WifeStoreWill]

Resto and Pat fucked up the case but the case was also damn near useless to begin with. If he didn't include Quasi as a John Doe and Quasi provided all the information he had available, Pat would have obtained email addresses like [email protected]. And then what would he do with that information?

It wasn't like they fucked up a good case; they fucked up an already useless case funded by 80 IQ "nerds" who were throwing an autistic tantrum at being messed with online. Pat is fat.

He did obtain that info, that’s the funniest part. Quasi sent them all our registration info and Brinton complained to Quasi’s lawyers that the emails were fake. They didn’t believe him that there was no other information. All they had to do was go to the forum themselves and sign up for an account and see that any fake info can be entered.

 

[Leonard Rhomberg]

The part that always confuses me is say they got info on one of the John Does that they could attach to a real person. If for instance their evidence against that John Doe was that they wrote “Not good” as an amazon review, can they even bring that person to court over such an obviously not defamatory statement? Because iirc that was the extent of some of the evidence for some people right?

 

[WifeStoreWill]

The part that always confuses me is say they got info on one of the John Does that they could attach to a real person. If for instance their evidence against that John Doe was that they wrote “Not good” as a amazon review, can they even bring that person to court over such an obviously not defamatory statement?

They can try but they’d obviously lose. We never even got to the actual defamation part of the case, the whole thing was just about subpoenas and IDing people.

 

[Chive Turkey]

Resto and Pat fucked up the case but the case was also damn near useless to begin with. If he didn't include Quasi as a John Doe and Quasi provided all the information he had available, Pat would have obtained email addresses like [email protected]. And then what would he do with that information?

It wasn't like they fucked up a good case; they fucked up an already useless case funded by 80 IQ "nerds" who were throwing an autistic tantrum at being messed with online. Pat is fat.

Oh, don't get me wrong, it still would've been insanely difficult but at least it'd be somewhat legally sound. He'd be in a way stronger position to ward off any possible quashes had he sticked to the people who might've done something that could be considered defamatory, rather than zeroing in on a person who did literally nothing wrong and levelling the same charges.

What could he have done wth dummy emails and spoofed IPs? He could've subpoenaed Cloudflare for the real IP logs. Provided he got them he would have then had to subpoena the ISPs for the actual identities. If the guy was using a VPN or Tor, then add in another two or three steps and presumably a lot of pushback from companies whose reputations depend on them protecting user data. It's theoretically possible but it would require so much time, effort, money and luck. Every link in the chain has to go your way and they very easily could not, either because they resist or because they simply don't have the information at hand because they periodically wipe IP logs once every few months or years. And even if everything goes in your favor, the best outcome you can hope for is to finally be able to start the actual defamation trial, and still have every chance of losing it.

There's a reason private entities rarely bother suing people who've wronged them who are obfuscating their identity online, it just isn't worth the hassle.

 

[WifeStoreWill]

Oh, don't get me wrong, it still would've been insanely difficult but at least it'd be somewhat legally sound. He'd be in a way stronger position to ward off any possible quashes had he sticked to the people who might've done something that could be considered defamatory, rather than zeroing in on a person who did literally nothing wrong and levelling the same charges.

What could he have done wth dummy emails and spoofed IPs? He could've subpoenaed Cloudflare for the real IP logs. Provided he got them he would have then had to subpoena the ISPs for the actual identities. If the guy was using a VPN or Tor, then add in another two or three steps and presumably a lot of pushback from companies whose reputations depend on them protecting user data. It's theoretically possible but it would require so much time, effort, money and luck. Every link in the chain has to go your way and they very easily could not, either because they resist or because they simply don't have the information at hand because they periodically wipe IP logs once every few months or years. And even if everything goes in your favor, the best outcome you can hope for is to finally be able to start the actual defamation trial, and still have every chance of losing it.

There's a reason private entities rarely bother suing people who've wronged them who are obfuscating their identity online, it just isn't worth the hassle.

He obviously was never going to go through with that and the proof is Dan. He’s known who Dan is for what, 1 or 2 years now? And in that time he hasn’t filed any defamation suit or even gone after his employer or anything like that as far as we know. It was always about intimidating Quasi to shut the site down and scaring the other 59 people into leaving it alone.

 

[Harry Powell]

He obviously was never going to go through with that and the proof is Dan. He’s known who Dan is for what, 1 or 2 years now? And in that time he hasn’t filed any defamation suit or even gone after his employer or anything like that as far as we know. It was always about intimidating Quasi to shut the site down and scaring the other 59 people into leaving it alone.

The problem there is he already blew his wad on the first lolsuit. Now he has no money, no SFWA support, and is toxic

 

[Mike Glyer]

He obviously was never going to go through with that and the proof is Dan. He’s known who Dan is for what, 1 or 2 years now? And in that time he hasn’t filed any defamation suit or even gone after his employer or anything like that as far as we know. It was always about intimidating Quasi to shut the site down and scaring the other 59 people into leaving it alone.

I want that to be the pre-contempt hearing surprise. Fatty files suit against Dan and starts rallying all the Twitter trannies on some braindead crusade while Dan provides some ribs with a "behind the scenes" look at a frivolous Piggy lawsuit.

 

[Slackjawed Cow]

He obviously was never going to go through with that and the proof is Dan. He’s known who Dan is for what, 1 or 2 years now? And in that time he hasn’t filed any defamation suit or even gone after his employer or anything like that as far as we know. It was always about intimidating Quasi to shut the site down and scaring the other 59 people into leaving it alone.

Dan has said they tried to get his employer to fire him.

 

[Petworth dude]

Dan has said they tried to get his employer to fire him.

Yeah, he referenced a meeting with the higher-ups at work recently. It doesn't seems to have changed his employment status, but if I were him, I'd rather not have that conversation at all.

 

[Libby Son Of Loin]

He obviously was never going to go through with that and the proof is Dan. He’s known who Dan is for what, 1 or 2 years now? And in that time he hasn’t filed any defamation suit or even gone after his employer or anything like that as far as we know. It was always about intimidating Quasi to shut the site down and scaring the other 59 people into leaving it alone.

I know 3 of Dan's different addresses, and so do most of us stlaker childs

 

[Libby Son Of Loin]

Dan has said they tried to get his employer to fire him.

We could have done a better job, methd out Dougie could do some damage

 

[WifeStoreWill]

Dan has said they tried to get his employer to fire him.

Alright well they haven’t made some big public crusade about it like he’s been telling faggot YouTubers he was going to do when they found out who anyone was.

 

[Officer Chase]

Resto and Pat fucked up the case but the case was also damn near useless to begin with. If he didn't include Quasi as a John Doe and Quasi provided all the information he had available, Pat would have obtained email addresses like [email protected]. And then what would he do with that information?

It wasn't like they fucked up a good case; they fucked up an already useless case funded by 80 IQ "nerds" who were throwing an autistic tantrum at being messed with online. Pat is fat.

The case wasn't useless at all, these things work on every yelper who says the "lasagna sucked and the salad was wilted". They always take down their review and I bet most defend on their own and walk away wholly intact without costs. Resto thought the site owner would just shut down, he'd get 10k from Pat and withdraw the suit as moot. He tried a blanket approach used against reviewers who are individuals vs a forum that really is a free speech issue and an owner who was rich enough to have 17k to risk. Once Quasi replied that should have been their sign to ditch.

 

[Officer Chase]

Alright well they haven’t made some big public crusade about it like he’s been telling faggot YouTubers he was going to do when they found out who anyone was.

This whole thing is proof that some fights can't be won.

 

[guest]

Dan has said they tried to get his employer to fire him.

Who - Dougie?

 

[Harry Powell]

Alright well they haven’t made some big public crusade about it like he’s been telling faggot YouTubers he was going to do when they found out who anyone was.

That’s because he saw Big Dick Danny’s McMansion and realized he would get his ass handed to him

 

[Libby Son Of Loin]

Did they even give quasi the option to shut down the site? Judging by the email exchange in the SF quash documents, that wasn't even an option. Resto wanted Quasi's identity. that's it. Once quasi hired a first amendment law firm in SF to quash the subpoena Resto had no plan other than delay. Resto couldn't even appear in the Cali hearings because he was never accepted pro hac vice there like he was in Wisconsin.

His goal from day 1 was to milk Pat and SFWA dry. Referring him to Milton JD a fucking traffic lawyer to go up with El Tiger cannot be interpreted as anything other than an absolute joke

 

[Officer Chase]

Did they even give quasi the option to shut down the site? Judging by the email exchange in the SF quash documents, that wasn't even an option. Resto wanted Quasi's identity. that's it. Once quasi hired a first amendment law firm in SF to quash the subpoena Resto had no plan other than delay. Resto couldn't even appear in the Cali hearings because he was never accepted pro hac vice there like he was in Wisconsin.

Question straight to you, for your opinion. Do you think that Resto's game plan against Yelpers goes in the way where he asks them to take down reviews? I tend to think if Nonna's Pasta House is suing me because I said their parmesan tasted like plastic shavings from the composite trim I sawed earlier that day, that I'd likely just remove it without being asked. I think Resto asking makes it look like a settlement with defendant input rather than a blitzkrieg styled trouncing. Now I have no proof that was the twink's rationale, but does that sound possible to you?