Today’s Court Hearing - Link & Live Discussion

[guest]

OMFG brilliant, but can you edit out the fat gook kid for a white one? I want to show this to people, but I can't have my obese kid represented as a mongrel, just saying lol.

It's a Sicilian with heavy forehead fat like Pat.

 

[guest]

The fag judge must have overslept at his Dominican barista boyfriend's place and done the video conference from there, right? That or he's a functioning junkie. I get that real estate in SF is astronomically expensive but you could fucking tidy up. I thought gays were all into the interior decorating. The shitty house I shared with 4 other guys in college was cleaner than that place.

 

[BudDickman]

Where's the recording? Has Quasi not posted it yet as the only conceivable person who could have recorded it?

 

[guest]

The fag judge must have overslept at his Dominican barista boyfriend's place and done the video conference from there, right? That or he's a functioning junkie. I get that real estate in SF is astronomically expensive but you could fucking tidy up. I thought gays were all into the interior decorating. The shitty house I shared with 4 other guys in college was cleaner than that place.

What, the discount store fleece throw over the couch wasn't fancy enough for you, lol.

 

[TorquieTwoBeers]

Can someone explain what the point is of going after the pedo club whether they paid for the lawsuit or not? Rick Thomas is the one who legally brought the suit, so what if someone else paid for it, he's legally the debtor?

Is Jerry pulling a Bresto and just milking Quasi for some easy bucks?

You're focusing on the wrong part. It's not about the fact that they paid for the lawsuit. Pat is a judgment debtor. He legally owes Quasi money.

However, he is refusing to pay it. In order to go after Pat for the money he owes, you need to get a look at his finances to go about collecting. As far as the SWFA, Pat is a dues-paying member who needed to provide a sworn affidavit of his book sales (unless I read this wrong) which would give a major idea of what kind of assets/income he has. Further, if the SWFA was just handing him money for his lawsuit, that is relevant. Or if he was or is making repayments on any money they gave him.

The SWFA stuff is just a piece of the big picture of Pat's financial situation, which is only relevant because he is refusing to pay his debts. I assume Quasi is going after other financial info on Pat (like major purchases, subscriptions he has, whatever money his wife makes with Posts By Ghost since she is also on the hook for his debts as his wife) but that the SWFA instantly fought handing over this info.

Bear in mind when reading the above that I'm not a lawyer and I'm a barely literate retard, but this is my take.

 

[Cuphead]

I guess the real question at this point is what plan B for Quasi will be if the subpoena gets quashed?

 

[JoeCumiaDotCom]

Again, because that standard doesn't exist. What case law has been cited establishing that so far? I may be wrong, but the arguments given don't require that. Read Jerry's cases they use phrases like "leave no financial stone unturned to recover a judgement".

You can certainly subpoena Disney for one specific subscriber's financial information for a specific time period if they owe you a debt.

Where are all these objections in the case law?

Since there's no case law yet hopefully this Judge Shulmer will have the balls to set the precedent going forward. I hope years from now lawyers will be citing John Doe #1 vs SFWA/Tomlinson.

 

[guest]

I guess the real question at this point is what plan B for Quasi will be if the subpoena gets quashed?

He is out ~10k and Pat still owes 36k+
Indian-Americans are the richest group so it is nothing for Quasi tho.

 

[Rabbi Krinsky]

You're focusing on the wrong part. It's not about the fact that they paid for the lawsuit. Pat is a judgment debtor. He legally owes Quasi money.

However, he is refusing to pay it. In order to go after Pat for the money he owes, you need to get a look at his finances to go about collecting. As far as the SWFA, Pat is a dues-paying member who needed to provide a sworn affidavit of his book sales (unless I read this wrong) which would give a major idea of what kind of assets/income he has. Further, if the SWFA was just handing him money for his lawsuit, that is relevant. Or if he was or is making repayments on any money they gave him.

The SWFA stuff is just a piece of the big picture of Pat's financial situation, which is only relevant because he is refusing to pay his debts. I assume Quasi is going after other financial info on Pat (like major purchases, subscriptions he has, whatever money his wife makes with Posts By Ghost since she is also on the hook for his debts as his wife) but that the SWFA instantly fought handing over this info.

Bear in mind when reading the above that I'm not a lawyer and I'm a barely literate retard, but this is my take.

Wouldn't it make more sense to go after Tor for Rick's finances? They are the ones who publish his books and pay his royalties. Also, Rick sold insurance and is still collecting residual income from this venture. Does he have an LLC to go after?

This whole thing stinks and I don't like it.

@notalawyer @admin can you please enlighten us retards what you think the plan is?

 

[BakersfieldChimp]

Wouldn't it make more sense to go after Tor for Rick's finances? They are the ones who publish his books and pay his royalties. Also, Rick sold insurance and is still collecting residual income from this venture. Does he have an LLC to go after?

This whole thing stinks and I don't like it.

@notalawyer @admin can you please enlighten us retards what you think the plan is?

We don't know that Jerry didn't. SFWA appear to be the only ones who wanted to quash a subpoena. Wonder why that would be...

 

[guest]

We don't know that Jerry didn't. SFWA appear to be the only ones who wanted to quash a subpoena. Wonder why that would be...

Wouldn't it make more sense to go after Tor for Rick's finances? They are the ones who publish his books and pay his royalties. Also, Rick sold insurance and is still collecting residual income from this venture. Does he have an LLC to go after?

This whole thing stinks and I don't like it.

@notalawyer @admin can you please enlighten us retards what you think the plan is?

This. Additionally, does Tor have a corporation headquartered in California? The request for records has more force when the entity is registered in the state the judgement was entered. Remember, Tomlinson didn't object and he was also served. This would be like if Cloudflare filed a quash on behalf of quasi saying that Resto was not entitled to the information. They could have made similar types of arguments (not the same ones) . Third parties usually don't file a quash for records unless there's a good reason. They didn't provide any, the response just said, "we don't wanna".

 

[guest]

This. additionally, does Tor have a corporation headquartered in California? The request for records has more force when the entity is registered in the state the judgement was entered. Remember, Tomlinson didn't object and he was also served. This would be like if Cloudflare filed a quash on behalf of quasi saying that Resto was not entitled to the information. They could have made similar types of arguments (not the same ones) . Third parties usually don't file a quash for records unless there's a good reason. They didn't provide any, the response just said, "we don't wanna".

SFWA doesn't approve of Jerry's "gamesmanship," child.

 

[FurBurger]

I guess the real question at this point is what plan B for Quasi will be if the subpoena gets quashed?

Quasi will have gone after every one of Pat's publishers, AMEX, possibly his bank, and the insurance companies he works for.

They'll have all rolled over and handed over the info, it's just this NAMBLA front-group that are fighting it to hide their misuse of funds.

 

[Rabbi Krinsky]

This. Additionally, does Tor have a corporation headquartered in California? The request for records has more force when the entity is registered in the state the judgement was entered. Remember, Tomlinson didn't object and he was also served. This would be like if Cloudflare filed a quash on behalf of quasi saying that Resto was not entitled to the information. They could have made similar types of arguments (not the same ones) . Third parties usually don't file a quash for records unless there's a good reason. They didn't provide any, the response just said, "we don't wanna".

Tor is headquartered in New York.

How about going after Amazon? They collect the royalties and pay Tor. Pat also said that he has a special deal where most, if not all, money for audiobooks goes to him. Audible, which is part of Amazon, is registered as publisher for Trident's Forge: Children of a Dead Earth, Book 2. "Recorded books" is registered as publisher for Gate Crashers.

I just hope Jen is not Jewing Rahul.

Another thing I don't get is why go through all this trouble and not just send the debt collector?

 

[TorquieTwoBeers]

Wouldn't it make more sense to go after Tor for Rick's finances? They are the ones who publish his books and pay his royalties. Also, Rick sold insurance and is still collecting residual income from this venture. Does he have an LLC to go after?

That's a good point. It might be a little more difficult because Pat is no longer a member of the Tor family and he's also self-/unemployed. SWFA might just be the easiest, first target to go after since they're very public and Pat is a current member.

I really hope Pat keeps fighting to the point where Quasi subpoenas Posts By Ghost for financial information (presuming he can; I'm assuming since they're married that his debts are her debts).

 

[guest]

He has a number of contributions published by his friends. Too old to matter and probably defunct. [URL]http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?155075[/URL]

 

[DominusOdium]

I'm sure creating all this stress, headache, unpleasant and unwanted attention, drama and forced disclosure will strengthen his industry ties and make publishers, other authors, larger partners and corporations want to work with him. There's 1000s of authors writing unoriginal spaceshit laced with barely concealed commie political messaging. Let's go with the guy who constantly has us in court and spends more time alienating customers than attracting them. Get Netflix on the phone! They can't wait to adapt Space Fags: Trump Hating Faggots In Space! Into a cinematic universe. They're going to love all the endless negative publicity and legal issues surrounding this incredibly toxic egotistical prick who tweets about how much he wants a violent revolution and to burn down things and blames all criticism on a shadow network of cyberterrorist ninjas.

The last two SFWA presidents were personal friends of his who misused funds, contacts and resources to help him and neither are in a position to do so.

 

[Uncle Anthony Cumia]

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He’s a Republican appointed by Schwarzenegger. Jerry Jen still has a shot. Republican judges tend to hold people accountable for their bad decisions. I’m gonna go ahead and drop Pats posts about Republicans into an anonymous email tonight.

 

[JoeCumiawearsDIAPERS]

He’s a Republican appointed by Schwarzenegger. Jerry Jen still has a shot. Republican judges tend to hold people accountable for their bad decisions. I’m gonna go ahead and drop Pats posts about Republicans into an anonymous email tonight.

Weren’t both Judge Stein and Schulman democrats? Both hated what was said but they still told Patrick to fuck off and leave the first amendment alone. The good Judge Schulman did not hold back showing Stavros how much he detested him for bringing his bullshit into his courtroom.

I believe this was a one off case where the judge pro tem was trying to avoid being outed for his lack of knowledge.

He was also probably pissed about people fucking around in the beginning.

 

[SFWA liaison]

I love lolsuits but they take so loooong, I want entertainment NOW

NAMBLA is incorporated in California, Jerry should subpoena them for any records they have about Patrick Tomlinson