Why wasn’t Pat a member of the SFWA until before he filed the lawsuit?

[Slackjawed Cow]

Its not asking much at all especially because its a ponzi scheme dressed as a charity. I bet there are a select few at the top of that group that get a cut and they use the membership fees for clandestine purposes

 

[Libby Son Of Loin]

Yeah I don’t know. I imagine it’s different when the government subpoenas you because they can just bust in and take your shit if you don’t give it up or they think you’re lying but in a civil case with 2 civilians I don’t know how they enforce it.

It's the old Resto strategy. Make it cost so much SFWA gives up and sells him out

 

[guest]

Yeah I don’t know. I imagine it’s different when the government subpoenas you because they can just bust in and take your shit if you don’t give it up or they think you’re lying but in a civil case with 2 civilians I don’t know how they enforce it.

Jerry Jen has been doing this shit for 20 years, and he's the best at it. Trust the process, nigga.

 

[Uncle Floyd]

We have the Josiah tapes, I would love for that shit to be played in a courtroom. My ribs will never heal

If someone would have told you back in 2019 that this entire Pat saga would turn out this way - court cases, josiah tapes, stalking podcasts - would you have ever believed it?

 

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Goodreads Archives - SFWA

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We have had some productive conversations with Goodreads and wanted to update you. As some of you may be aware, over the course of several weeks, trolls created dozens of false accounts as part of a harassment campaign against some writers. We reached out to Goodreads to ask for assistance in stopping those attacks and they were, thankfully, responsive. Goodreads was as committed to solving this as SFWA was. If readers lose their faith with the site because of false reviews, that’s a problem for all of us.

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Information on a discussion between SFWA and Goodreads about stopping targetted harassment of writers on the Goodreads review site.

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Dear SFWA members,

We have had some productive conversations with Goodreads and wanted to update you. As some of you may be aware, over the course of several weeks, trolls created dozens of false accounts as part of a harassment campaign against some writers. We reached out to Goodreads to ask for assistance in stopping those attacks and they were, thankfully, responsive. Goodreads was as committed to solving this as SFWA was. If readers lose their faith with the site because of false reviews, that’s a problem for all of us.
During the course of the conversation, we shared with them some ideas that they might use to block this form of targetting. They are working on implementing some of those, although I hope you’ll understand that we won’t be able to share the details of those particular efforts.
The item that we immediately came away with was a channel to communicate to a dedicated Goodreads representative on behalf of SFWA members. Members who are being targetted may contact SFWA.
There are also some existing tools on Goodreads that were not immediately apparent. We offered to highlight those to our members while Goodreads puts the other measures into place.
Flagging reviews – Goodreads does not allow Ad Hominem reviews or attacks on an author. They made it clear to us that when reviews become about the author, not about the book, authors are able to flag uses of harmful language or when the intent is to harm the person, not to review the book. If an author is receiving an avalanche of those, they may send a link to [email protected] or send a link via Goodreads’ contact form.
Reporting entire accounts – Sometimes, a single actor will create negative reviews of an author’s entire body of work. In those cases, any author may send a link to [email protected].
SFWA members may use an intake form, which can be accessed only by logged-in members, to report false accounts and/or harassment. (With the understanding that a single negative review isn’t harassment. Doxxing, impersonation, reviews of books that aren’t available, targetted harassment, etc. are.) We have a designated volunteer who will collate the info into reports which we will then pass to Goodreads via our dedicated channel for expedition.
It is our hope that with this cooperative effort Goodreads will be a safe space for both readers and authors.




Mary Robinette Kowal
President, Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America

 

[FurBurger]

So, one thing you guys all need to realize, twitter isn’t court. Nor is it real. He can tweet whatever gay lies he wants...

We were talking about documents filed with the court under threat of perjury not Twitter; but let's take your argument for a spin anyway.

Public statements on can absolutely be used in court. Death threats, defamation, opinions, statements of fact; all of them have been used in court cases. Quasi can point to them as evidence supporting a belief - such as that the SFWA funded Pat - and subpoena documents based on that belief, and if the subpenississed party refuse to provide those documents he can ask the court to rule based on that belief. Pat could then (theoretically, at least) admit to the court for the first time in his life that he lied about something; and the judge will make a determination about whether he was lying then or lying now.

The benefit there, is that once Pat's admitted he was lying, his credibility takes a hit; and the court will give him less benefit of the doubt should he try and pull any shady shit in future.

 

[guest]

Jerry Jen has been doing this shit for 20 years, and he's the best at it. Trust the process, nigga.

Yeah of course. I was just saying I don’t know how they do it, in general, not specific to him or this case.

 

[guest]

If someone would have told you back in 2019 that this entire Pat saga would turn out this way - court cases, josiah tapes, stalking podcasts - would you have ever believed it?

If you would have told me back then that patposting would lead me to put on a costume and go to the Omni Shoreham, pay $75 to go to a sci-fi convention to take a picture of his zero fans and then pass out a bunch of fake business cards that I had made for the occasion I would have called you a lying faggot and spit in your face. But here we are. This shit is bananas.

I hope @Twatsmash is getting a treatment ready for this whole thing. FYI I’m white and not fat so make sure you cast me properly.

 

[Libby Son Of Loin]

We were talking about documents filed with the court under threat of perjury not Twitter; but let's take your argument for a spin anyway.

Public statements on can absolutely be used in court. Death threats, defamation, opinions, statements of fact; all of them have been used in court cases. Quasi can point to them as evidence supporting a belief - such as that the SFWA funded Pat - and subpoena documents based on that belief, and if the subpenississed party refuse to provide those documents he can ask the court to rule based on that belief. Pat could then (theoretically, at least) admit to the court for the first time in his life that he lied about something; and the judge will make a determination about whether he was lying then or lying now.

The benefit there, is that once Pat's admitted he was lying, his credibility takes a hit; and the court will give him less benefit of the doubt should he try and pull any shady shit in future.

If only he could tweet something along the lines of "no I don't owe any money" when shown evidence that he indeed does, that would be great

 

[LockedHDD__Pot]

He says they had a 'rough patch' a few years ago, I wonder if he means he had a rough patch & couldn't afford his dues, alternatively it was being chaired by someone who wouldn't indulge his bullshit.

 

[Mitch Weaver]

If you would have told me back then that patposting would lead me to put on a costume and go to the Omni Shoreham, pay $75 to go to a sci-fi convention to take a picture of his zero fans and then pass out a bunch of fake business cards that I had made for the occasion I would have called you a lying faggot and spit in your face. But here we are. This shit is bananas.

I hope @Twatsmash is getting a treatment ready for this whole thing. FYI I’m white and not fat so make sure you cast me properly.

He’s got you, nigga

 

[Beavis]

Pat rejoined to get the money and be the attack dog for SFWA. The question is did Pat bring the lawsuit idea to them or did they put him up to it?

 

[FurBurger]

Pat rejoined to get the money and be the attack dog for SFWA. The question is did Pat bring the lawsuit idea to them or did they put him up to it?

I believe emails (and possibly texts) about that are covered by Quasi's huge subpenis, so we should find out shortly.

 

[guest]

He’s got you, nigga
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Hell yeah, that dude is fucking ripped

 

[IGotATreeOnMyHouse85]

He says they had a 'rough patch' a few years ago, I wonder if he means he had a rough patch & couldn't afford his dues, alternatively it was being chaired by someone who wouldn't indulge his bullshit.

I think it’s the later, his “rough patch” seems to be when he got his blue check for his abortion tweet. It went to his fat head and he probably told them he needs to be in charge because he’s very important

 

[Uncle Floyd]

If you would have told me back then that patposting would lead me to put on a costume and go to the Omni Shoreham, pay $75 to go to a sci-fi convention to take a picture of his zero fans and then pass out a bunch of fake business cards that I had made for the occasion I would have called you a lying faggot and spit in your face. But here we are. This shit is bananas.

I hope @Twatsmash is getting a treatment ready for this whole thing. FYI I’m white and not fat so make sure you cast me properly.

You can still spit in my face. I won't mind.

 

[guest]

He’s got you, nigga
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[Clint Ruin]