Rewatching Lost

[satanssockpuppet]

This is because everyone was jealous over The Sopranos with the Kevin Finnerty coma dreams that Tony had. How Sopranos had Tony in an alternate reality where he wasn't in the mafia and sells patio furniture and doesn't cheat on his wife. Every hack writer tried to copy The Sopranos with some weird alternative timelines and dimensions. Lost, The Leftovers, and a ton of other shows that came out after the last season of The Sopranos did the 'other world dream sequences'.

They built a kind of cool sci-fi mythology, and the hope was that they'd bring it all around full circle, even if it was loosely. I never expected them to solve every stupid mystery, but I DID expect it to make at least SOME sense, even in a roundabout way. Then, in season six, they immediately introduced a bunch of totally pointless new shit, like Dogan and that temple, Sayid dying and coming back to life with a new accent, a magical remote viewing lighthouse that no one ever noticed before, and that interminable Jacob nonsense. And on top of that, they added a bunch of cheap gimmicky "sideways" flashes, where all the main characters were living completely different lives. It was just retarded, lazy, and gay.

 

[HeyItsVos]

Wait so The Sheild is good? I trust your judgment on a good show.

It’s outstanding.

 

[quark]

Wait so The Sheild is good? I trust your judgment on a good show.

I just recently binged it because it kept being brought up here. It rules. It is episodic in the beginning but still has strong plotlines, some that span the entire series. A few main characters get left on the backburner too often but they aren't the reason the show rules so it doesn't really matter. The most insane final run of episodes on any tv show ever, in my opinion.

 

[LingerLonger]

The Shield is only held back by not being on HBO or Streaming and having to adhere to cable television rules. Other than that the show is pretty much perfect and nonstop action, plot, and great character development. It covers similar ground to stuff like The Wire, Boardwalk Empire, Sopranos, Oz, but does it in a unique way.

Whereas Sopranos was about the criminals. The Wire was about cops chasing criminals. Boardwalk Empire was about criminals, politicians, and the 'roaring twenties'. The Shield is all about focusing corrupt cops and then some perspectives of the people who interact with them. Like other cops that aren't corrupt, lawyers, their families, and the criminals that they work with or hunt down.

 

[guest]

Gonna watch it again. It watch pretty gud!

 

[guest]

The Shield is only held back by not being on HBO or Streaming and having to adhere to cable television rules. Other than that the show is pretty much perfect and nonstop action, plot, and great character development. It covers similar ground to stuff like The Wire, Boardwalk Empire, Sopranos, Oz, but does it in a unique way.

Whereas Sopranos was about the criminals. The Wire was about cops chasing criminals. Boardwalk Empire was about criminals, politicians, and the 'roaring twenties'. The Shield is all about focusing corrupt cops and then some perspectives of the people who interact with them. Like other cops that aren't corrupt, lawyers, their families, and the criminals that they work with or hunt down.

I am suprised you like boardwalk empire. Its a kiked version of the 20s, making out like it was le racist and sexist times.

 

[Prince Bvstin]

He changed some stuff already because of the audience figuring it out. Like who sent the assassin with the dagger makes no sense at all. Pretty much everyone assumes he changed that. Also some of Littlefinger's behaviors make no sense at all in the books and are likely a result of GRRM losing track of his original ideas and doing too much on the fly without consulting his notes.

Stuff like King Bran has been planned from book one though. Which is a terrible ending. GRRM has to be temped to change it. And stuff like Jon killing Dany is also from the planned book ending (though she is pregnant in the books).

The ending was beyond obvious. It was the exact same ending as Breaking Bad in that they couldn't have the main characters do anything evil like murder someone. There had to be redemption for Saul and he had to save Kim just like Walt had redemption and saved Jesse. Most people assumed that Saul would turn himself in and get Kim's law license back and have her represent him in court which was pretty close to the ending.

Also Walt dies. Jesse gets away. Saul going to jail is the only outcome the writers hadn't used yet which made it even more predictable. Almost everyone predicted that Saul would go to jail, Kim would get her license back, Howard's body would be found (just like Hank's, another Breaking Bad carbon copy).

The main characters all had their endings planned from the beginning. Same with most of the Sopranos. Where both shows are just a slow trainwreck or car pileup. As the years go by more and more characters die because of their involvement in crime and the stakes get higher which makes them take more risks. And eventually it starts bleeding over into their families when earlier seasons were all about "families never get touched". Yet in the end people are getting killed in front of or with their families.

This is why The Wire has that awful season five ending. Where they take McNulty and make him a psychotic maniac out of nowhere just to shock the audience and stop White fans from viewing him as a hero against nigger ghetto thugs. The writers lost their minds that the White cop was a hero and wrote an entire season around him faking murders, drinking, and acting like a degenerate.

This is because everyone was jealous over The Sopranos with the Kevin Finnerty coma dreams that Tony had. How Sopranos had Tony in an alternate reality where he wasn't in the mafia and sells patio furniture and doesn't cheat on his wife. Every hack writer tried to copy The Sopranos with some weird alternative timelines and dimensions. Lost, The Leftovers, and a ton of other shows that came out after the last season of The Sopranos did the 'other world dream sequences'.

Breaking bad suffered the unusual case of the writers seemingly obsessed with creating tweet-along moments to build publicity for the show. It became so popular nobody realised how awful the characters were actually written. And at the end of the day the shows appeal is the same as Shawshank redemption. "Middle class American" is successful in the criminal world. That's literally the appeal of both, let soyboy whitey think he can be a criminal mastermind and we lap it up like dogs. Yuck

 

[alkiefuck2]

Wait so The Sheild is good? I trust your judgment on a good show.

This is for any other faggot, aside from comedies it's the only show I've rewatched about 5 times. Linger longer pointed it out but the fact it doesn't rely on twists and shit makes it near perfect.
Definitely up there with jersey shore

 

[PogromStallone]

Wait so The Sheild is good? I trust your judgment on a good show.

One of the best shows ever made. Had it aired on HBO, it would be talked about in the same breath with Sopranos and The Wire.

People were calling it purgatory in season 1. The writers vehemently denied this and implied they had a whole plan from the start when they very clearly didn’t. The show was a massive cheat.

In case you're not aware, the island was not purgatory. It all happened.

I thought the ending was OK, considering there's no real way to wrap up a polar bear storyline. I never expected that to be explained.

The polar bear was explained.

However, as early as Season 2, people online were speculating that the Island was purgatory. The writers apparently firmly said it wasn't.

If I had watched it on TV for years and then that was the ending, I think I would have felt cheated and lied to as well.

Again, the island was not purgatory.

Let me reiterate my earlier post in this thread:

Loved the finale and I'm pissed at how many people misunderstood it.

I don't understand how someone with a functioning brain can walk away with such a complete misinterpretation of the ending.

 

[LingerLonger]

I am suprised you like boardwalk empire. Its a kiked version of the 20s, making out like it was le racist and sexist times.

The first two seasons were amazing. The third season and on are a massive decline. Though the last episode of the show is one of the best finales of all time. But in order to get there you need to suffer through all of seasons three, four, and five, just to get to that one final episode which is a grueling task. It's like when I watch The Wire again and I am glued to the show for the first four seasons. Then season five comes around and I can barely get through one episode in a day without wanting to just shut the show off completely because of how much it just sucks plainly.

You can tell that after they killed Jimmy off in Boardwalk that the writers and producers basically lost all passion for the show and just let it fall apart. Season three was supposed to be about Jimmy and Nucky. When they fired the actor who played Jimmy it basically broke the show and they transformed it into the jewish revisionist version of the 1920s instead. By the third season the writers were already working on other shows and movies and Boardwalk was on life support.

In case you're not aware, the island was not purgatory. It all happened.

You are the one not getting it. The island was purgatory when they wrote the first couple of seasons. When the fans started talking about it being purgatory they decided to call an audible and change the ending to the island being real. For probably the majority of the show the island was purgatory. They tried to get too clever and rewrite the show to be more mysterious but failed when it became too convoluted.

Again, the island was not purgatory.

Wrong. They kept changing things on the show to keep the viewers interested. Including stuff like parallel worlds and time traveling and all sorts of ridiculous nonsense. The second season of the show had a character reading a book called The Third Policeman. A book about a guy who is dead and investigating his own death from purgatory like the Sixth Sense twist where he founds out he is dead. It was foreshadowing them all realizing that they indeed died in the crash.

They clearly wanted the show to be people dying in a plane crash, going to a purgatory which would fool them into thinking that they were alive, then one by one realizing that they died on the plane. Instead the show took off and they made them actually alive and survive the crash which is ridiculous enough. Then they decided to reintroduce the purgatory plot with the stupid flash sideways universe anyways because an ending of 'we explain all of the mysteries' was impossible with how untalented the writers were.

 

[PogromStallone]

You are the one not getting it. The island was purgatory when they wrote the first couple of seasons. When the fans started talking about it being purgatory they decided to call an audible and change the ending to the island being real. For probably the majority of the show the island was purgatory. They tried to get too clever and rewrite the show to be more mysterious but failed when it became too convoluted.

This is literally fan fiction, lol.

 

[Harry Powell]

This is literally fan fiction, lol.

This is literally fact backed up by interviews and millions of posts on message boards circa 2005-08

 

[PogromStallone]

This is literally fact backed up by interviews and millions of posts on message boards circa 2005-08

Feel free to post one of them that is just not speculation.

 

[LingerLonger]

This is literally fan fiction, lol.

There were tons of references to purgatory in the first few seasons. Then the last season had them in purgatory once again. Only they changed it so that the purgatory was some special flash sideways instead of the actual island.

You can't actually believe that they had time travel and 'moving the island' planned from the beginning? They had to change a lot of stuff. One of the main characters was supposed to be the black child but he grew up so quickly that they stupidly wrote him off and changed all of the plot that was supposed to center around him. They were just throwing out whatever they could and hoping that the audience didn't want any explanations for the mystery boxes.

The old IMDB boards were nothing but 'purgatory' talks but those boards are not archived.

 

[Meownaw]

There were tons of references to purgatory in the first few seasons. Then the last season had them in purgatory once again. Only they changed it so that the purgatory was some special flash sideways instead of the actual island.

You can't actually believe that they had time travel and 'moving the island' planned from the beginning? They had to change a lot of stuff. One of the main characters was supposed to be the black child but he grew up so quickly that they stupidly wrote him off and changed all of the plot that was supposed to center around him. They were just throwing out whatever they could and hoping that the audience didn't want any explanations for the mystery boxes.

The old IMDB boards were nothing but 'purgatory' talks but those boards are not archived.

I miss the IMDB boards. Fawk.

 

[Consensual Rapist]

While I did like watching it, the last season I felt like they didn’t know how to end it, so someone wrote the season in one night to meet a deadline.

 

[PogromStallone]

There were tons of references to purgatory in the first few seasons. Then the last season had them in purgatory once again. Only they changed it so that the purgatory was some special flash sideways instead of the actual island.

You can't actually believe that they had time travel and 'moving the island' planned from the beginning? They had to change a lot of stuff. One of the main characters was supposed to be the black child but he grew up so quickly that they stupidly wrote him off and changed all of the plot that was supposed to center around him. They were just throwing out whatever they could and hoping that the audience didn't want any explanations for the mystery boxes.

The old IMDB boards were nothing but 'purgatory' talks but those boards are not archived.

I don't believe they had pretty much anything planned which is why I don't think they planned for it to be purgatory.