Rewatching Lost

[Jack_Horner]

Did you understand it though? I hated it at first too but after researching it and reading other people’s interpretations of it, it makes sense that the final season was about them being in purgatory and needing to find each other and remember their lives in order to move on. By the ending, they had all died. It could have been years since the last events we saw on the island, especially since Hurley became the new Jacob and presumably held his role for a very long time before dying. They were all waiting in purgatory until everyone was finally dead and ready to move on together. I thought it was pretty touching since they all came from lives where they had nobody, but in the end the island brought them all together in a special way and they moved on to the afterlife together happily.

Are you fucking with me?

On the offhand chance you aren't -

The whole "purgatory" thing was just lazy writing. They'd obviously never intended to finish the story, so they hustled to string together some kind of an ending.

The writers from "Breaking Bad" mentioned something similar: they'd written the scene where Walt buys a machine gun without actually knowing what he was going to do with it yet.

That's why they had to shoehorn in that lame scene in the finale of the show.

 

[Imager]

Did you understand it though? I hated it at first too but after researching it and reading other people’s interpretations of it, it makes sense that the final season was about them being in purgatory and needing to find each other and remember their lives in order to move on. By the ending, they had all died. It could have been years since the last events we saw on the island, especially since Hurley became the new Jacob and presumably held his role for a very long time before dying. They were all waiting in purgatory until everyone was finally dead and ready to move on together. I thought it was pretty touching since they all came from lives where they had nobody, but in the end the island brought them all together in a special way and they moved on to the afterlife together happily.

I watched Seasons 1-5 on Netflix before Season 6 came out. I then watched Season 6.

I thought the ending was OK, considering there's no real way to wrap up a polar bear storyline. I never expected that to be explained.

However, as early as Season 2, people online were speculating that the Island was purgatory. The writers apparently firmly said it wasn't.

If I had watched it on TV for years and then that was the ending, I think I would have felt cheated and lied to as well.

 

[DMbA]

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[DMbA]

That actor is the luckiest little fuck in the world. Managed to get parts in two of the biggest franchises ever and has been nothing since due to being talentless. He also got prime Evangeline Lily which makes me legitimately angry.

 

[HH Brother]

Man, that fart gas monster is freaky, brother!

 

[Harry Powell]

I watched Seasons 1-5 on Netflix before Season 6 came out. I then watched Season 6.

I thought the ending was OK, considering there's no real way to wrap up a polar bear storyline. I never expected that to be explained.

However, as early as Season 2, people online were speculating that the Island was purgatory. The writers apparently firmly said it wasn't.

If I had watched it on TV for years and then that was the ending, I think I would have felt cheated and lied to as well.

People were calling it purgatory in season 1. The writers vehemently denied this and implied they had a whole plan from the start when they very clearly didn’t. The show was a massive cheat.

Any faggot can just make up crazy random shit and call it a “mystery box” (faggot lindeloff favorite term), it’s only worth anything if you actually have a coherent conclusion b

 

[LingerLonger]

People were calling it purgatory in season 1. The writers vehemently denied this and implied they had a whole plan from the start when they very clearly didn’t. The show was a massive cheat.

The same thing happened in Westworld. People figured out all of the twists and turns in the first one or two episodes each season. And eventually people figured out what the twists would be two or three seasons in advance because they were the standard sci-fi robot and AI tropes. Then the writers started going back through the scripts for the later seasons and changing the endings on purpose just to "outsmart" the audience. And the writing became ridiculous because episodes one through nine would foreshadow someone being a secret robot or whatever and then episode ten would have them be human.

All so the writers could go "AHA! I got you all!" to the audience. Yet it ruined the entire show in the long run.

The fact is that you cannot outsmart your audience anymore because everyone can basically brainstorm together on the internet. You have people who spend every hour of their free time analyzing the plot of a show or book or whatever. And they can pinpoint every little detail with autistic precision. It happened with Game of Thrones as well which was another mystery box show that blew itself up with retarded plot twists in its later episodes.

All it takes is one turbo autist to figure out the ending and post it on the internet for everyone else to know the ending. And a lot of these people on social media that predict the endings are professional writers themselves. So as a writer you just have to accept that people will figure out the ending. This is why David Chase's ending was so good because no one predicted "cut to black" out of millions of people.

Any faggot can just make up crazy random shit and call it a “mystery box” (faggot lindeloff favorite term), it’s only worth anything if you actually have a coherent conclusion b

This is why The Sopranos and The Wire are fun to re-watch over and over. Because there is no mystery box. When you watch The Wire they literally show you the crimes being committed that the police are supposed to solve. It's not about some faggy "who done it?!" show with a new red herring every episode. It's literally about how the police try to catch criminals and why the war on drugs keeps failing. You already know the killer so there is no mystery.

This is why Breaking Bad is a slog to watch again. Because once you know the twists there is no suspense and no more substance because the characters are shallow. The stupid Mexican assassin twins have zero depth and are cartoon characters compared to people like Avon Barksdale, Chris and Snoop, Marlo, and so on.

Lost in the later seasons had a list of people who guarded the caves or whatever. One of them was Harggus 202 and the other was Sheckler 197. So Uncle Paul and Ted Sheckler and the Sirius and XM channel numbers made it into the show.

 

[HeyItsVos]

The same thing happened in Westworld. People figured out all of the twists and turns in the first one or two episodes each season. And eventually people figured out what the twists would be two or three seasons in advance because they were the standard sci-fi robot and AI tropes. Then the writers started going back through the scripts for the later seasons and changing the endings on purpose just to "outsmart" the audience. And the writing became ridiculous because episodes one through nine would foreshadow someone being a secret robot or whatever and then episode ten would have them be human.

The fact is that you cannot outsmart your audience anymore because everyone can basically brainstorm together on the internet. You have people who spend every hour of their free time analyzing the plot of a show or book or whatever. And they can pinpoint every little detail with autistic precision. It happened with Game of Thrones as well which was another mystery box show that blew itself up with retarded plot twists in its later episodes.

I’m really hoping George RR Martin isn’t doing any rewriting of the books based on people figuring stuff out and also for hating the end of the show. I think what might save the books is that I don’t think he cares if people figure out the clues he’s left where all these television writers seem to have it tied to their egos.

 

[Rutherford_b_Blaze]

Never fawkin seen it

 

[Harry Powell]

I’m really hoping George RR Martin isn’t doing any rewriting of the books based on people figuring stuff out and also for hating the end of the show. I think what might save the books is that I don’t think he cares if people figure out the clues he’s left where all these television writers seem to have it tied to their egos.

That actually already happened 25+ years ago. On an old GoT message board someone posted their prediction for the rest of the story for all the major characters. George was very involved in the community back then, he read it, and it caused him to alter parts of the story. After that incident he checked out from reading the message boards completely to avoid being influenced further.

 

[HeyItsVos]

That actually already happened 25+ years ago. On an old GoT message board someone posted their prediction for the rest of the story for all the major characters. George was very involved in the community back then, he read it, and it caused him to alter parts of the story. After that incident he checked out from reading the message boards completely to avoid being influenced further.

I appreciate that he’s removed himself from that temptation at least. It’s too bad he was influenced at all. If he finished his stories in a timely manner there would less of a risk of this.

 

[Jack_Horner]

I thought the ending was OK, considering there's no real way to wrap up a polar bear storyline. I never expected that to be explained.

What if the bear drove a Prius and hung himself in his basement on his wedding anniversary?

RAMOOOOOOOONE

 

[Jack_Horner]

This is why The Sopranos and The Wire are fun to re-watch over and over. Because there is no mystery box. When you watch The Wire they literally show you the crimes being committed that the police are supposed to solve. It's not about some faggy "who done it?!" show with a new red herring every episode. It's literally about how the police try to catch criminals and why the war on drugs keeps failing. You already know the killer so there is no mystery.

This is why Breaking Bad is a slog to watch again. Because once you know the twists there is no suspense and no more substance because the characters are shallow. The stupid Mexican assassin twins have zero depth and are cartoon characters compared to people like Avon Barksdale, Chris and Snoop, Marlo, and so on.

Lost in the later seasons had a list of people who guarded the caves or whatever. One of them was Harggus 202 and the other was Sheckler 197. So Uncle Paul and Ted Sheckler and the Sirius and XM channel numbers made it into the show.

Agree 100%

The reason "The Shield" is so fucking amazing is because when you watch it from start to finish, you realize the writers knew exactly how the story was going to end from the beginning. It's like they wrote a 200 hour long movie and were dribbling the story out, one week at a time.

The character arc of Shane in particular was unreal.

 

[Jack_Horner]

 

[guest]

Lost

 

[guest]

The same thing happened in Westworld. People figured out all of the twists and turns in the first one or two episodes each season. And eventually people figured out what the twists would be two or three seasons in advance because they were the standard sci-fi robot and AI tropes. Then the writers started going back through the scripts for the later seasons and changing the endings on purpose just to "outsmart" the audience. And the writing became ridiculous because episodes one through nine would foreshadow someone being a secret robot or whatever and then episode ten would have them be human.

All so the writers could go "AHA! I got you all!" to the audience. Yet it ruined the entire show in the long run.

The fact is that you cannot outsmart your audience anymore because everyone can basically brainstorm together on the internet. You have people who spend every hour of their free time analyzing the plot of a show or book or whatever. And they can pinpoint every little detail with autistic precision. It happened with Game of Thrones as well which was another mystery box show that blew itself up with retarded plot twists in its later episodes.

All it takes is one turbo autist to figure out the ending and post it on the internet for everyone else to know the ending. And a lot of these people on social media that predict the endings are professional writers themselves. So as a writer you just have to accept that people will figure out the ending. This is why David Chase's ending was so good because no one predicted "cut to black" out of millions of people.

This is why The Sopranos and The Wire are fun to re-watch over and over. Because there is no mystery box. When you watch The Wire they literally show you the crimes being committed that the police are supposed to solve. It's not about some faggy "who done it?!" show with a new red herring every episode. It's literally about how the police try to catch criminals and why the war on drugs keeps failing. You already know the killer so there is no mystery.

This is why Breaking Bad is a slog to watch again. Because once you know the twists there is no suspense and no more substance because the characters are shallow. The stupid Mexican assassin twins have zero depth and are cartoon characters compared to people like Avon Barksdale, Chris and Snoop, Marlo, and so on.

Lost in the later seasons had a list of people who guarded the caves or whatever. One of them was Harggus 202 and the other was Sheckler 197. So Uncle Paul and Ted Sheckler and the Sirius and XM channel numbers made it into the show.

In fairness, nobody predicted the ending to better call saul - except for everyone who said itd be a schizophrenic nonsensical mess.

 

[alkiefuck2]

I rewatched it maybe 5 years ago after painstakingly watching every week and waiting months between episodes in the first live airing. It's telling now how much things changed before and after the writers strikes. It went from a (i think) 24 episode long season where the pacing was perfect to 10 episode season runs split across 12 months that still managed to be 50% irrelevant content like plot lines which went nowhere. Introducing cast members, learning their life stories and then killing them was a common way to pad out a run. All in all you could plain avoid watching 95% of the show and it would have no impact whatsoever on your understanding of what was fundamentally a really good story line. Flashbacks were clearly a budget saving method by the end. The bulk of the plot also hung on the witless idea that nobody ever communicated anything important to the 20 other survivors and a lot of the script was strung together not on the precept of people needing to keep secrets from each other to survive like a good thriller but rather on them forgetting that a huge life or death event or miracle just happened and going back to counting coconuts and fishing in the episode following. Which is unrealistic.

Also I think they invented the trope of killing characters off for the OMG moment yet still keeping them as show regulars which was annoying.

By the way "From" on (i think) Showtime has some of the same writing cast and actors. Similar concept to Lost and seems to be heading the same direction if season 2 was anything to go by. Well worth a look though.

I've only saw the first season but yeah I enjoyed from

 

[satanssockpuppet]

Too bad they didn't end it when Juliet set off the hydrogen bomb. Then I'd remember it quite differently. "Lost" was a lot of fun, especially by network show standards, but season six was a total debacle that totally ruined the show for me. That gay "sideways" reality with the contrived stunt casting ("Sawyer is a cop now! And wow, Jack is Locke's doctor! Far out, man!"), the nonsensical Jacob/Man In Black stuff, and the faggy ending where some of them (not everyone) dances in a retarded inter-denominational church...ugh. That scene where Jack and Desmond stick a big cork in the island was almost as dumb as the SOA ending was.

 

[LingerLonger]

I’m really hoping George RR Martin isn’t doing any rewriting of the books based on people figuring stuff out and also for hating the end of the show. I think what might save the books is that I don’t think he cares if people figure out the clues he’s left where all these television writers seem to have it tied to their egos.

He changed some stuff already because of the audience figuring it out. Like who sent the assassin with the dagger makes no sense at all. Pretty much everyone assumes he changed that. Also some of Littlefinger's behaviors make no sense at all in the books and are likely a result of GRRM losing track of his original ideas and doing too much on the fly without consulting his notes.

Stuff like King Bran has been planned from book one though. Which is a terrible ending. GRRM has to be temped to change it. And stuff like Jon killing Dany is also from the planned book ending (though she is pregnant in the books).

In fairness, nobody predicted the ending to better call saul - except for everyone who said itd be a schizophrenic nonsensical mess.

The ending was beyond obvious. It was the exact same ending as Breaking Bad in that they couldn't have the main characters do anything evil like murder someone. There had to be redemption for Saul and he had to save Kim just like Walt had redemption and saved Jesse. Most people assumed that Saul would turn himself in and get Kim's law license back and have her represent him in court which was pretty close to the ending.

Also Walt dies. Jesse gets away. Saul going to jail is the only outcome the writers hadn't used yet which made it even more predictable. Almost everyone predicted that Saul would go to jail, Kim would get her license back, Howard's body would be found (just like Hank's, another Breaking Bad carbon copy).

The reason "The Shield" is so fucking amazing is because when you watch it from start to finish, you realize the writers knew exactly how the story was going to end from the beginning. It's like they wrote a 200 hour long movie and were dribbling the story out, one week at a time.

The character arc of Shane in particular was unreal.

The main characters all had their endings planned from the beginning. Same with most of the Sopranos. Where both shows are just a slow trainwreck or car pileup. As the years go by more and more characters die because of their involvement in crime and the stakes get higher which makes them take more risks. And eventually it starts bleeding over into their families when earlier seasons were all about "families never get touched". Yet in the end people are getting killed in front of or with their families.

This is why The Wire has that awful season five ending. Where they take McNulty and make him a psychotic maniac out of nowhere just to shock the audience and stop White fans from viewing him as a hero against nigger ghetto thugs. The writers lost their minds that the White cop was a hero and wrote an entire season around him faking murders, drinking, and acting like a degenerate.

That gay "sideways" reality with the contrived stunt casting ("Sawyer is a cop now! And wow, Jack is Locke's doctor! Far out, man!")

This is because everyone was jealous over The Sopranos with the Kevin Finnerty coma dreams that Tony had. How Sopranos had Tony in an alternate reality where he wasn't in the mafia and sells patio furniture and doesn't cheat on his wife. Every hack writer tried to copy The Sopranos with some weird alternative timelines and dimensions. Lost, The Leftovers, and a ton of other shows that came out after the last season of The Sopranos did the 'other world dream sequences'.

 

[guest]

He changed some stuff already because of the audience figuring it out. Like who sent the assassin with the dagger makes no sense at all. Pretty much everyone assumes he changed that. Also some of Littlefinger's behaviors make no sense at all in the books and are likely a result of GRRM losing track of his original ideas and doing too much on the fly without consulting his notes.

Stuff like King Bran has been planned from book one though. Which is a terrible ending. GRRM has to be temped to change it. And stuff like Jon killing Dany is also from the planned book ending (though she is pregnant in the books).

The ending was beyond obvious. It was the exact same ending as Breaking Bad in that they couldn't have the main characters do anything evil like murder someone. There had to be redemption for Saul and he had to save Kim just like Walt had redemption and saved Jesse. Most people assumed that Saul would turn himself in and get Kim's law license back and have her represent him in court which was pretty close to the ending.

Also Walt dies. Jesse gets away. Saul going to jail is the only outcome the writers hadn't used yet which made it even more predictable. Almost everyone predicted that Saul would go to jail, Kim would get her license back, Howard's body would be found (just like Hank's, another Breaking Bad carbon copy).

The main characters all had their endings planned from the beginning. Same with most of the Sopranos. Where both shows are just a slow trainwreck or car pileup. As the years go by more and more characters die because of their involvement in crime and the stakes get higher which makes them take more risks. And eventually it starts bleeding over into their families when earlier seasons were all about "families never get touched". Yet in the end people are getting killed in front of or with their families.

This is why The Wire has that awful season five ending. Where they take McNulty and make him a psychotic maniac out of nowhere just to shock the audience and stop White fans from viewing him as a hero against nigger ghetto thugs. The writers lost their minds that the White cop was a hero and wrote an entire season around him faking murders, drinking, and acting like a degenerate.

This is because everyone was jealous over The Sopranos with the Kevin Finnerty coma dreams that Tony had. How Sopranos had Tony in an alternate reality where he wasn't in the mafia and sells patio furniture and doesn't cheat on his wife. Every hack writer tried to copy The Sopranos with some weird alternative timelines and dimensions. Lost, The Leftovers, and a ton of other shows that came out after the last season of The Sopranos did the 'other world dream sequences'.

Wait so The Sheild is good? I trust your judgment on a good show.