Post a controversial opinion.

[Snake]

I think Hall was completely wrong too. The idea to send Bret to WCW because they wouldn't know what to do with him is insane. Also, abruptly cutting that PPV would have been very hard to do, since Vince was at ringside and not really able to pull a "shut it down" to the production crew easily. I don't believe that Bret spelling WCW was ever focused on and replayed on WWE TV in the days and weeks after.

I do think Cornette was right that Vince thought he was the good guy -- "Bret screwed Bret." He thought the fans would understand the business and rally around him. But they hated him for it, and the genius play was to become a heel character.

Yeah that's the thing that doesn't make sense with Hall's angle because Vince was ringside more focused on Bret and not camera shots. He already told the camera guys what to do or didn't. All the good angles only really started after that PPV so I think it was by chance the Attitude era started since it was such a different atmosphere that was sudden and wasn't something they were really going toward. Yeah there was hard shoots between Shawn and Bret but that was only because there was real heat there.

 

[IGotATreeOnMyHouse85]

I also agree Wrestling will never be as mainstream as it once was. The 80s boom was huge but had some low years in the early 90s until the NWO / Attitude Era. That was right around the time of the Internet and when something like wrestling could “push the envelope” and still be on TV. That late 90s early 2000s was the last time it will be that big and exciting. You look at those 90s crowds and its nothing like you see today. Now they can’t come up with interesting new talent / storylines and are just running the old guys until they die. I just saw an article online about how many WWE main roster stars are 40 and over with no new talent to pass the torch.

 

[Snake]

I also agree Wrestling will never be as mainstream as it once was. The 80s boom was huge but had some low years in the early 90s until the NWO / Attitude Era. That was right around the time of the Internet and when something like wrestling could “push the envelope” and still be on TV. That late 90s early 2000s was the last time it will be that big and exciting. You look at those 90s crowds and its nothing like you see today. Now they can’t come up with interesting new talent / storylines and are just running the old guys until they die. I just saw an article online about how many WWE main roster stars are 40 and over with no new talent to pass the torch.

What killed that company was that Vince became too much of a control freak. By the time WCW integrated back into the fold from interviews with Nash and Hall, you had to rehearse the interviews and spots in front of Vince. It was so heavily scripted. It seems the first real scripted guy that was big was Rock, but I always thought he was shit compared to Austin. Austin could riff with anything and not make it seem like he read it off a teleprompter. Not that the Rock was like that, but all his little catchphrases in hindsight didn't come from him clearly.

You remember that WWF game which was the first 3D version on the PS1? They all recorded videos, which sounds like it was in a bathroom, and Austin is the only dude giving solid promos.

Farooq is reading right from the cards and not even trying, Ahmed Johnson is a mushmouth retard and Rock is phoning it in real fucking hard.

 

[JoeCumiawearsDIAPERS]

Even when he was really getting the shit, it was hard to hate him. The only version of Hateable Joe was when Nana was still coming on the sub, and Joe pretended to be an Alpha or something, threatening people like Josh fucking Fonner (RIP).

After that passed, fucking with Joe was fun, and he was never as thoroughly miserable and hate able as Pat. Hell, I miss getting new essay-length Joe responses.

I know guys like Hall think it was a work, but I just don't think so. I don't see it as a JFK conspiracy.

Hall's whole thing is the cut to Bret right after the bell rang being directed by Vince and allowing W-C-W being airwritten to the cameras. I honestly see that as Vince's genius at the time to know this would make good TV since the company was on it's way out and it needed a brand new take on it, but I don't think he knew just how well this would play out for him. The "Mr. McMahon" character only came after when the screwjob turned out to be a surprise success. I mean at that point, I don't even think it was known by many that Vince owned it. He portrayed himself a just a commentator and I didn't know he was the owner either as a kid until he got involved with storylines.

Bret has remained the same dude since this happened. At this point I feel like there would be some actual evidence by now since so much time has gone by and everyone has said the same story for 25 years. I mean if it was a work, Bret really had a shitty career from that point on and with him it was always about the fame and not the money. Yeah at that point he was making a lot, but WCW didn't do shit with him. Three million a year and he never once got a good angle. "Yeah, stick him in the NWO with the other jobbers."

Hall's argument boils down to Vince's total domination over everything in the company, including what can be said over the air. By the time Bret writes WCW, Vince was probably way beyond the point of caring about something that small because it wasn't just BAU.

I believe Vince tried to do everything he could to reach a middle ground with Bret. Bret's great and I can appreciate a guy who is very thoughtful and protective of his reputation/ career but he was being dishonest and a total jack off about everything, even though Vince was upfront about not being able to match WCW's offer.

At that point, what was Vince supposed to do? He basically had one chance to get his belt back and both Shawn and Earl Hebner needed to do their job and get that fucking belt off of Bret at all costs. If Bret started to beat the shit out of Shawn, then Hunter needed to do his job and beat the fuck out of Bret. Tough situation but completely justifiable in my opinion. Vince really was the good guy in that situation and he still took a punch from Bret.

At the end of the day, we're talking about a guy who didn't back down from the federal government. There's no way he wasn't going to figure out life after Bret.

 

[IGotATreeOnMyHouse85]

What killed that company was that Vince became too much of a control freak. By the time WCW integrated back into the fold from interviews with Nash and Hall, you had to rehearse the interviews and spots in front of Vince. It was so heavily scripted. It seems the first real scripted guy that was big was Rock, but I always thought he was shit compared to Austin. Austin could riff with anything and not make it seem like he read it off a teleprompter. Not that the Rock was like that, but all his little catchphrases in hindsight didn't come from him clearly.

You remember that WWF game which was the first 3D version on the PS1? They all recorded videos, which sounds like it was in a bathroom, and Austin is the only dude giving solid promos.

Farooq is reading right from the cards and not even trying, Ahmed Johnson is a mushmouth retard and Rock is phoning in it real fucking hard.

That’s what a lot of the talent / former writers say is holding it back. Too scripted and just using the same shit over and over. You’ve got guys like Pritchard and Michael Hayes using the same ideas from the 90s. It explains why they can’t even get any new guys over compared to the old stars. They’ve had to rely on the older guys to get any attention for over a decade which is becoming sad (Goldberg? Come on)

 

[Brooke Shields]

unpopular opinion, professional wrestling isn't gay

In fact it's so not gay that even if a thread gets shit up with homoerotic paragraphs of burly wrestling men it only makes that thread more straight

 

[Mr. Faggotry]

I think Vince should fake his own death again, seemed to work the first seven times.

 

[Mel Gibson]

The true Israelites were of European blood and are the true chosen.

 

[Chive Turkey]

Most of the passionate hatred is performative and temporary

Posts like these make me wish we had an "optimistic" rating like on KF.

Out of all the faggots we shit on, TrantH is probably the only one who is worthy of genuine contempt on account of his actions. Keep in mind that this nigger declared war on the sub for poking some fun at his expense, issuing bounties for dox and similarly gay shit, after those same people had been supporting him and his podcast empire for years. This is on top of his well-documented pedophilic pursuits. Worst of all, he's aggressively unfunny.

especially the ones who take issue with "racism"

I've literally never seen anyone argue this with anything approaching sincerity, 99% of criticism boils down to the points I mentioned earlier. If anyone felt that strongly about no-no words and thoughts they would have never gotten involved with da show to begin with.

This reeks of coping with the fact that most of us are casual racists, not Panzerfaust enthusiasts who treat it like a full-time job.

 

[analeggsalad]

Posts like these make me wish we had an "optimistic" rating like they have on KF.

Out of all the faggots we shit on, TrantH is probably the only one who is worthy of genuine contempt on account of his actions. Keep in mind that this nigger declared war on the sub for poking some fun at his expense, issuing bounties for dox and similarly gay shit, after those same people had been supporting him and his podcast empire for years. This is on top of his well-documented pedophilic pursuits. Worst of all, he's aggressively unfunny.

I just don't care, brotherman. but I don't care or get angry about Pat or Joe either. It's fun to fuck with them, but I don't share the anger. Jim pisses me off/actually makes me angry the most of all because of his pathetic simping for women who are clearly using him

"but I'll be honest in saying I've never seen anyone argue this with anything approaching sincerity"

Killer Kuhn wasn't the only mulatto who was legit butthurt about racism. Ant takes it from casual racism to real "racism" and that triggers serious insecurity and resulting rage in some. CuntFucker and Nigger Dre are clear examples in this forum. They post literal leftypol and r/chapotraphouse chud memes, without irony. Denying this is actual cope.

but the grooming of kids online is pretty fucked up, I don't know how he is able to dodge that for as long as he has

 

[MonsterSteve]

I enjoy Diet Mountain Dew.

 

[Snake]

This would be a better place for Whites to live currently.

Give us those ghost towns, form a new Rhodesia. NO NIGGER ZONE

 

[Udders]

I also agree Wrestling will never be as mainstream as it once was. The 80s boom was huge but had some low years in the early 90s until the NWO / Attitude Era. That was right around the time of the Internet and when something like wrestling could “push the envelope” and still be on TV. That late 90s early 2000s was the last time it will be that big and exciting. You look at those 90s crowds and its nothing like you see today. Now they can’t come up with interesting new talent / storylines and are just running the old guys until they die. I just saw an article online about how many WWE main roster stars are 40 and over with no new talent to pass the torch.

Those 90s and early 2000s ECW shows had such tremendous testosterone fueled energy. The crowds would chant FAGGOT at people and SHOW YOUR TITS to the female managers. If you tried that at a wrestling show today, you'd probably get thrown out. Everything turns to shit.

 

[IGotATreeOnMyHouse85]

Those 90s and early 2000s ECW shows had such tremendous testosterone fueled energy. The crowds would chant FAGGOT at people and SHOW YOUR TITS to the female managers. If you tried that at a wrestling show today, you'd probably get thrown out. Everything turns to shit.

There was nothing like ECW, that was some great fan driven wrestling. They didn’t do the WWF stuff of goofy big muscle guys but brought in high flying, technical, cruiser weight, hardcore, and all around roughness to wrestling. I still remember watching it in Philly on channel 48 on Friday nights and it was shot like you’re watching some underground shit. They created the YOU FUCKED UP chant that of course would never happen today. You can’t even try anything like that today and that WWE version of ECW was a slap in the face of the hardcore fans. That era of talent and competition will never be seen again.

 

[guest]

General Butt Naked going from cannibal warlord to preacher is the greatest heel turn ever.

 

[analeggsalad]

General Butt Naked going from cannibal warlord to preacher is the greatest heel turn ever.

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[Mitch Weaver]

who is that guy in your avatar? previously in gif format tipping the train conductor's hat

One of the biggest faggots in the O&A universe which is high praise.

 

[guest]

who is that guy in your avatar? previously in gif format tipping the train conductor's hat

Intern Noah of the music video Jewlia fame.

 

[Mr. Faggotry]

Trump’s final year or two was an absolute embarrassment and I won’t vote for the guy again. Sucking kike ass, pushing vaccines, hiding behind the My Pillow guy and conspiracies about election fraud.

The guy was hilarious and I voted for him twice but it won’t happen a third time. Hopefully it all burns down via hypersonic Chinese missile by then anyway.

 

[guest]

The best shows by far were Joe, Anthony and Patrice with Opie out. Followed closely by Nick DiPaolo and Patrice episodes.

Mr cool kid over here. Tired of your bullshit