27% of Evangelical Christians rarely or never attend Church services

[Faggot Boqposter]

I think buying a warhammer chair can be forgiven when I make account of my life and fruits, don’t you?

There aren’t too many companies more anti Christian than games workshop. might as well buy a special edition sfwa or compound media chair.

How much do you tithe? It better be the full 10%..

 

[Dark Dan Disciple]

The narcissism on display here is almost humorous.

The best aspect of religion is the spiritual fulfillment. If you’re arguing religion on the internet chances are you’re not experiencing this. Most of the Bible is just schizophrenic ramblings and only a fool would debate them.

Unless you’re a monk or priest theology should be nothing more than an interesting hobby.

I’ve accepted Jesus Christ as my savior and pray multiple times a day.

 

[Farmer Brown]

Again I sort of have to remove the theological aspect because i’m not educated enough to speak on it, only the way you’re thinking here. You assume for two separate entities to be one they have to literally merge or be absorbed to form as one. Let me put this in a different example.

I have a green apple, an orange, and a pear. They are all separate entities and hold a lot of traits that make them such. Their color, their taste, etc. However are differentiation of them is due to our restrictions on how we define things, through forming conceptions based on our senses. However removed from those none of these three fruits are separate. They are fruits. (I could expand upon the example more but i’ll stop.) The separations we make are simply inventions of the mind. However, these dualities do not exist separate from each other but at the same time. We may choose to look at an apple from an orange, or look at both as just two fruits, but how we perceive them does not alter the state they exist in, which is both at the same time.

To try to apply this back onto the religious argument, it seems the distinctions we make between the father, son, and holy spirit all rely on our tendency to think in dualities and invent separations when, removed from our senses, they are the same. To try to expand on this, and commit complete heresy in the process, it’s like thinking the spirit of jesus christ didn’t exist before his birth, or that his spirit ceased to exist after his death. It is a constant and can coexist in multiple places at the same time.

If you are saying the father/son distinction is just an invention of the mind because the essence is the same I can understand that, but I don't think that is the Church 's view. Are you and your father different? I suppose you could say in a "cosmic" sense it's all a mind manifestation and we're the same, but again, I don't think that's the church's position.

But I might be dead wrong. And I may have completely misunderstood what you said.

(I'd post a Fetterman shrugging picture here if I knew how.)

 

[Turry Precision ™®©]

The narcissism on display here is almost humorous.

The best aspect of religion is the spiritual fulfillment. If you’re arguing religion on the internet chances are you’re not experiencing this. Most of the Bible is just schizophrenic ramblings and only a fool would debate them.

Unless you’re a monk or priest theology should be nothing more than an interesting hobby.

I’ve accepted Jesus Christ as my savior and pray multiple times a day.

@chocolatehellhole plz change @BUBBLER's name to @BABBLER thank you

 

[Farmer Brown]

You need to provide a reason why this is a contradiction. Athanasius points out that, due to God's eternal nature, He could never become the Father as becoming would violate His eternality. The Father and Son must both exist eternally. Since the Father is also our Father (which you don't seem to be questioning) you'll have to provide a counter for Athanasius' argument that doesn't violate the eternal nature of God.

I can't argue with theologans. I was originally just wondering about where in the Bible does one find the Trinity.

 

[Turry Precision ™®©]

I can't argue with theologans. I was originally just wondering about where in the Bible does one find the Trinity.

It's not explicitly laid out in the Bible but then neither is the biblical canon. There are doctrines and traditions that predate the Bible and still exist parallel to it. After all, the canon wasn't finalized for more than six centuries after Christ ascended. If we needed the Bible in the way that Protestants contend we do then we'd need to find the canon strictly enumerated within the scriptures but that's obviously impossible.

What the Bible does say is that the church is the pillar and the ground of truth. Not the scriptures. They're important but they're not vital.

 

[Farmer Brown]

It's not explicitly laid out in the Bible but then neither is the biblical canon. There are doctrines and traditions that predate the Bible and still exist parallel to it. After all, the canon wasn't finalized for more than six centuries after Christ ascended. If we needed the Bible in the way that Protestants contend we do then we'd need to find the canon strictly enumerated within the scriptures but that's obviously impossible.

What the Bible does say is that the church is the pillar and the ground of truth. Not the scriptures. They're important but they're not vital.

Thank you. That makes things more clear

 

[Turry Precision ™®©]

Thank you. That makes things more clear

I'm here to welp.

I guess the question kind of tripped me up and I wasn't clear enough before - the Trinity is there but it requires an interpreter to clarify it which is true of all scripture whether or not that interpretive authority is the church, a "church" or @NoBacon. The real question in all of these matters is which authority would you put the most faith in; should you interpret it yourself? Rely on a protestant innovation? Throw in with the papists or the Copts or the Ethiopians or should you go back to the church which has been here since Christ founded it?

From a modern perspective it's hard to bend our necks to any authority so we often end up trying to go it alone but this method of attaining to truth collapses against all the other rogue interpreters who are running around - see the thousands of protestant sects for evidence of this. So eventually you end up with one quarter of evangelicals dispensing of church altogether which is really just preparatory to abandoning God.

If I'm free to interpret the scriptures on my own then I'm obviously free to reject them.

TLDR the Reformation is to blame for atheism.

 

[midwit]

@Mr Turry if it doesn't tread too deeply into your personal life, did you start out in the Catholic Church?

Never met an Orthodox Christian who didn't but I'm an American so yeah. Just wondering.

 

[Turry Precision ™®©]

@Mr Turry if it doesn't tread too deeply into your personal life, did you start out in the Catholic Church?

Never met an Orthodox Christian who didn't but I'm an American so yeah. Just wondering.

Nah I could never bring myself to do it. Came close a few times but papal infallibility is so heretical that even an unchurched neophyte like me could see the glaring flaws in it.

 

[BrotherMan1488]

If a Church goes against (((Global Homo))) talking points they loose there tax exempt status so Church's push gay nigger Jewish worship and claims Jesus would approve of Jim Nortons "marriage"

 

[Sue2]

If you are saying the father/son distinction is just an invention of the mind because the essence is the same I can understand that, but I don't think that is the Church 's view.

I have no fucking idea. Rather than arguing from some weird philosophical place they would definitely look at texts from the bible and specific words and how they relate to other passages rather than my psychological gobbly gook.

Are you and your father different? I suppose you could say in a "cosmic" sense it's all a mind manifestation and we're the same, but again, I don't think that's the church's position.

Sure we’re different but we are both from the same blood line. We’re both humans. We’re part of a “family”. It’s quite literally a superposition. We are in both places at the same time until we’re “observed”, in which we become distinct. Both father and son, opposites, and humans, equal.

If this example can be applied to fruits, and can be applied to humans, and the weather, then I imagine it can be applied to three “distinct” entities that all basically have the power and empathy of god yet exist in “different forms”

 

[NoBacon]

when you get to the actual logic it breaks down. This isn't a refutation or defeater, but I can't make sense of it. It gets technical but think about it this way. By all usages of the words we have and the logic we use there would be three gods by any logical counting method.

If jesus is the son of man, and the father is not the son of man that's two gods not one.

Why would you approach it like that, though?

I am that I am, I will be what I will be is a self evident declaration, it’s not something to logically dissect like some Eric Hildeman type.

 

[NoBacon]

@Mr Turry if it doesn't tread too deeply into your personal life, did you start out in the Catholic Church?

Never met an Orthodox Christian who didn't but I'm an American so yeah. Just wondering.

He’s getting dangerously close to the Jewish written and oral Torah for my liking. Of course the church is important, and is the rock built upon Peter, but why place so much authority on the human staffing of the institution like the Pharisees did? Why do they make you call them Father when we are told in no uncertain terms not to? Why do they pray to the Saints when we’re told not to? What’s the basis for believing the Saints can hear millions of prayers, did they get given these powers? According to who? Why do they worship Mary?

It’s all a question of judgment and authority and I don’t have any of the answers but it seems quite simple that you only need Jesus.

 

[Dog Eater]

WWAW only whites going to heaven?

 

[Farmer Brown]

I have no fucking idea. Rather than arguing from some weird philosophical place they would definitely look at texts from the bible and specific words and how they relate to other passages rather than my psychological gobbly gook.

Sure we’re different but we are both from the same blood line. We’re both humans. We’re part of a “family”. It’s quite literally a superposition. We are in both places at the same time until we’re “observed”, in which we become distinct. Both father and son, opposites, and humans, equal.

If this example can be applied to fruits, and can be applied to humans, and the weather, then I imagine it can be applied to three “distinct” entities that all basically have the power and empathy of god yet exist in “different forms”

You realize quantum mechanics and relativity don't peacefully coexist? I'm not sure you can, in reality, prescribe anything larger than an electron with a superposition. I don't think physicists would say the universe works that way. But again, what do I know? I certainly cannot do the math to prove it.

 

[NoBacon]

You realize quantum mechanics and relativity don't peacefully coexist? I'm not sure you can, in reality, prescribe anything larger than an electron with a superposition. I don't think physicists would say the universe works that way. But again, what do I know? I certainly cannot do the math to prove it.

I’m not sure what your contention is, any questions you have can and will be answered in prayer.

 

[Farmer Brown]

Nah I could never bring myself to do it. Came close a few times but papal infallibility is so heretical that even an unchurched neophyte like me could see the glaring flaws in it.

That seems to counterdict everything else you said.

 

[NoBacon]

That seems to counterdict everything else you said.

You are giving off big Eric Hildy vibes tbchwy

 

[Faggot Boqposter]

You are giving off big Eric Hildy vibes tbchwy

Do you think you’ve spent more money with the fervently anti Christian games workshop than Eric has? You ever looked in to the people who work there? They’re all Hildeman types. the same guy who designed your chair by day is probably defending MAPs (pedophiles) on Twitter under a sock by night