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27% of Evangelical Christians rarely or never attend Church services

Turk February

Our experiences exceed yours.
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Surely we are all familiar with incompleteness theorems, particularly Tarski and Godel. I am sure you, @quasi101 (or your more recent and, frankly, better account @quasi102 ) wouldn't expect a man made system (logic) which can not even be used to prove its own validity to apply to an issue which exists entirely above and beyond that system. A baby in the womb can not see it's mother, it might know the umbelical cord or the placenta lining the uterus, but until it's born it can not fathom what mother is or how the world actually works. Think of yourself as the baby, and the limits of logic as your absence of senses and experience.

I'm just fucking around, Trinitarianism is nonsense.
 

quasi101

the $83,736.99 fugitive
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Surely we are all familiar with incompleteness theorems, particularly Tarski and Godel. I am sure you, @quasi101 (or your more recent and, frankly, better account @quasi102 ) wouldn't expect a man made system (logic) which can not even be used to prove its own validity to apply to an issue which exists entirely above and beyond that system. A baby in the womb can not see it's mother, it might know the umbelical cord or the placenta lining the uterus, but until it's born it can not fathom what mother is or how the world actually works. Think of yourself as the baby, and the limits of logic as your absence of senses and experience.

I'm just fucking around, Trinitarianism is nonsense.
You had me in the first half...
 
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Surely we are all familiar with incompleteness theorems, particularly Tarski and Godel. I am sure you, @quasi101 (or your more recent and, frankly, better account @quasi102 ) wouldn't expect a man made system (logic) which can not even be used to prove its own validity to apply to an issue which exists entirely above and beyond that system. A baby in the womb can not see it's mother, it might know the umbelical cord or the placenta lining the uterus, but until it's born it can not fathom what mother is or how the world actually works. Think of yourself as the baby, and the limits of logic as your absence of senses and experience.

I'm just fucking around, Trinitarianism is nonsense.
You ever read Godel, Escher, Bach: eternal golden braid? I tried when I was young and couldn't get past half of it. I don't know if I was too dumb, or poorly educated.
 

I WAS BLOCKED

YOU KNOW HOW TO BALL, I KNOW ARISTOTL.
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I pray all the time to be led to a church worthy of the glory to be a church, fit to lead. Do they think Peter and Paul cared about not rocking the boat or offending anybody, and adhering to political zeitgeist’s as long as they came together and had bake sales?
@NoBacon What are ya, Paul?

My brother in Christ thank you. I feel this but I can not put it into words.

God bless you all.

Feed Nana.
 

BUBBLER

Janny of Ribbers
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The issue is the churches position. You can make the logic work , but it will always fall under a heretical view. The "different states" concept is sabellism or modalistic.

The classic example is vapor,ice,liquid are all modes of water. or expressions.

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Below is literally why I say my position is. I just say that language is insufficient. Not that analogies might be.


People always due this motte and bailey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy) where they say you need to fully understand it but when pressed retreat. I don't need to fully understand it i need the language to make sense. I don't need to know exactly how a combustion engine works , to say i understand cars. But you tell me that when i press the gas and the brake at the same time it both speeds up and slows down at the same time. I'll say i don't know what that things is.

:bhzv6yb:
 

NoBacon

An honourable man.
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The issue is the churches position. You can make the logic work , but it will always fall under a heretical view. The "different states" concept is sabellism or modalistic.

The classic example is vapor,ice,liquid are all modes of water. or expressions.

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Below is literally why I say my position is. I just say that language is insufficient. Not that analogies might be.


People always due this motte and bailey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy) where they say you need to fully understand it but when pressed retreat. I don't need to fully understand it i need the language to make sense. I don't need to know exactly how a combustion engine works , to say i understand cars. But you tell me that when i press the gas and the brake at the same time it both speeds up and slows down at the same time. I'll say i don't know what that things is.


“You unbelieving and perverse generation,” Jesus replied, “how long shall I stay with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring the boy here to me.”

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'A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.”

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