2023 NFL draft thread

[Kim_Jong_Poon_]

I try to watch at times but AJ Hawk's face unsettles me.

Definitely has a Rocky Dennis thing going on

 

[Jenna]

Yeah I don't understand the backlash of Indy taking Richardson. You take a QB, and hope in 3 years he works out for you. Andrew Luck was supposed to be a generational talent, the Lebron James of football, and he only lasted a few seasons. Richardson busts, ehh you get a high pick in the 2026 draft and take another QB.

 

[Kim_Jong_Poon_]

Yeah I don't understand the backlash of Indy taking Richardson. You take a QB, and hope in 3 years he works out for you. Andrew Luck was supposed to be a generational talent, the Lebron James of football, and he only lasted a few seasons. Richardson busts, ehh you get a high pick in the 2026 draft and take another QB.

It's a risky pick, no doubt about it. But the payoff could be huge. If they're going to continue playing smashmouth football with Taylor, Richardson seems like a good fit for their offense

 

[Jenna]

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Funny how Patrick offers no solutions. Who should the Packers have drafted, Rick? Will Levis to make Jordan Love nervous? A WR?

They got a white guy who plays defense. If he turns out solid, mister "I only buy jerseys of the white players" can spend Quasi's money on a new present.

 

[Kim_Jong_Poon_]

Funny how Patrick offers no solutions. Who should the Packers have drafted, Rick? Will Levis to make Jordan Love nervous? A WR?

They got a white guy who plays defense. If he turns out solid, mister "I only buy jerseys of the white players" can spend Quasi's money on a new present.

Oh no, my team just drafted a 6'5" 270lbs EDGE rushers that runs a sub 4.6 40!

-Patrick Susan Tomlinson

 

[Jenna]

It's a risky pick, no doubt about it. But the payoff could be huge. If they're going to continue playing smashmouth football with Taylor, Richardson seems like a good fit for their offense

Being a draft day Nostradamus is stupid. They got reddit threads where Jets fans are clowning Buffalo for taking Josh Allen, people said Lamar Jackson is a meme and won't be able to scramble around NFL pros. QBs are so important and the consequences for drafting a bust are... a couple of mediocre seasons. He's clearly a freak athlete setting all sorts of combine records, and everyone passed on Levis, so take the chance. Indy needed a QB, now they have one.

 

[WifeStoreWill]

Yeah I don't understand the backlash of Indy taking Richardson. You take a QB, and hope in 3 years he works out for you. Andrew Luck was supposed to be a generational talent, the Lebron James of football, and he only lasted a few seasons. Richardson busts, ehh you get a high pick in the 2026 draft and take another QB.

Andrew luck was a generational talent and they ruined him. The Colts would be in the same class as the Browns if they didn’t stumble into 2 no brainer picks in Manning and Luck.

 

[EraGodless]

Yeah I don't understand the backlash of Indy taking Richardson. You take a QB, and hope in 3 years he works out for you. Andrew Luck was supposed to be a generational talent, the Lebron James of football, and he only lasted a few seasons. Richardson busts, ehh you get a high pick in the 2026 draft and take another QB.

Andrew Luck was really, really good. The Colts never built an OL to protect him.

Richardson wasn't even close to the same level as Luck was at Stanford. Richardson as a prospect is basically Josh Allen 2.0, but atleast Richardson played in the SEC, so he played good competition (howevermediocre he was). Richardson's shortcomings are two of the hardest to improve at the NFL level: Reading defenses and accuracy. Allen is basically a unicorn in that regard as he as gotten better each year as a pro and is now a top 5 QB (maybe top 3 or so). I just don't see that with Richardson. If Young or Stroud bust, picking them is defensible. Picking Richardson at fourth is probably going to get the GM fired and maybe a coach ir two.

 

[BillyCorgan'sFallenTree]

Being a draft day Nostradamus is stupid. They got reddit threads where Jets fans are clowning Buffalo for taking Josh Allen

I remember there was a video of Josh from his first or second day of training camp as a rookie and he missed a screen pass. People tweeted that out and said "Holy hell Josh Allen is going to suck." A ton of Josh Allen hate was strictly due to the fact he tweeted out rap lyrics in high school and said nigger in those tweets.

Now as the resident Jets fan around here I need to clarify there are two types of Jets fans and both sides hate the other. One is the delusional side that thinks they're amazing. "How are we losing we have studs at every position?" The other are the "negative" fans who are the objective fans. "They are losing because those 'studs' are just the bums playing those positions. They wouldn't start on any other team." It was the delusional fans saying that while the the objective ones were just anticipating the disaster that Darnold would bust and Allen would become a star, which is exactly what happened.

 

[Kim_Jong_Poon_]

The number of people who don't watch NCAAF but still have strong opinions on college players drive me up the wall.

I don't think any of these scouts watched Florida last year. Yes, Richardson is a freak athlete. But he wasn't even projected as a first or second rounder until a week or so after the combine when media outlets started posting viral videos of him doing backflips and shit. Then out of nowhere this narrative that he's a dark horse top 10 pick was all over the place.

The kid is a terrible quarterback. That is objectively true. Even Florida fans think he sucks. Anyone comparing him to Lamar Jackson or Donovan McNabb probably read that somewhere and is just repeating it.

Maybe they aren't done drafting QBs?

 

[guest]

Andrew Luck was really, really good. The Colts never built an OL to protect him.

Richardson wasn't even close to the same level as Luck was at Stanford. Richardson as a prospect is basically Josh Allen 2.0, but atleast Richardson played in the SEC, so he played good competition (howevermediocre he was). Richardson's shortcomings are two of the hardest to improve at the NFL level: Reading defenses and accuracy. Allen is basically a unicorn in that regard as he as gotten better each year as a pro and is now a top 5 QB (maybe top 3 or so). I just don't see that with Richardson. If Young or Stroud bust, picking them is defensible. Picking Richardson at fourth is probably going to get the GM fired and maybe a coach ir two.

That's exactly why I don't get the Richardson pick. You'd think they'd have learned from the Jets about taking a guy who can't read a defense but had a flashy workout. Look at the Titans pulling the trigger on Levis. Anyone who saw Malik Willis play last year could tell he was completely lost out there. At least he was only a 3rd rounder and not the number 4 overall.

 

[satanssockpuppet]

The number of people who don't watch NCAAF but still have strong opinions on college players drive me up the wall.

I don't think any of these scouts watched Florida last year. Yes, Richardson is a freak athlete. But he wasn't even projected as a first or second rounder until a week or so after the combine when media outlets started posting viral videos of him doing backflips and shit. Then out of nowhere this narrative that he's a dark horse top 10 pick was all over the place.

The kid is a terrible quarterback. That is objectively true. Even Florida fans think he sucks. Anyone comparing him to Lamar Jackson or Donovan McNabb probably read that somewhere and is just repeating it.

Agree. Richardson is a gigantic reach, and Levis is even more absurd. Young and Stroud were the only two real first round QBs in this draft, and they're both a roll of the dice as it is.

 

[satanssockpuppet]

SEC football is my favorite sport.
Levis is the real deal talent-wise, but he scored very low on his interviews. He's not a bad dude, I think he's just a knucklehead and lacks leadership attributes you need at the pro level.
But his arm is legit.

JaMarcus Russell had a hell of a throwing arm too. At least you actually watch these guys before forming opinions. As stated above, most of these draft weirdos have no idea who they're touting.

 

[guest]

You're right, it's very rare that a QB can suddenly learn to read defenses once they get to the pro-level. It's a processing thing - either your brain works that quickly or it doesn't. And it requires extreme dedication to studying film. Most guys don't have that, especially if they got accustomed to leaning or their athleticism their whole lives. We're seeing that now with Kyler Murray, and saw it already with guys like Colin Kaepernick.
Jalen Hurts is an exception - he was a one-read QB at Bama. If the hot route wasn't there he would tuck and run. It's why he was eventually benched for Tua. But his personal traits like work-ethic and leadership were so high, Philly took a risk on him and he's turned into a good little passer.

But if the Colts think they have another Hurts in Richardson, they're delusional.

Yep. Taking a shot on a guy who doesn't appear to have pro skills, or at least needs serious work on them, is way more likely to fail. Teams seem to really hope that guys like Hurts and Allen are the rule, not the exception. You're way more likely to end up with a Tebow or Zach Wilson on your hands. Really goes to show how overvalued arm strength is. Obviously you need a bare minimum, but goddamn do teams see one great throw in a workout and fall in love. It's retarded. Peyton Manning threw wobbling ducks his last 4 years and broke every single season and career record in the process. You'd think that would illustrate how crucial the ability to properly read the defense is.

 

[Kim_Jong_Poon_]

I'll bet 100 ribs @ 5-1 that Anthony Richardson will have the more successful rookie campaign over Stroud and Young with any nigga here

 

[WifeStoreWill]

JaMarcus Russel was a big fat guy with a strong arm.
He played in the SEC when it was dominated by run-heavy offenses and he never had the chance to prove how bad he was.
He was also at least a quarter retarded. Whoever decided to draft him should be shot against a brick wall.

That was a puddinghead Al Davis pick. He was the one that drafted stupid niggers who could run fast or throw far for like 10 years straight until he died and no one would say no to him.

 

[WifeStoreWill]

I'll bet 100 ribs @ 5-1 that Anthony Richardson will have the more successful rookie campaign over Stroud and Young with any nigga here

You’re out of your fucking mind

 

[chocolatehellhole]

You’re out of your fucking mind

You know what? You're not wrong. You know what?

 

[WifeStoreWill]

Even Richardson believers know he needs a year or two to develop. He’s not going to see the field this year.

 

[guest]

And this narrative that Jared Allen wasn't considered pro material is a joke. He wasn't recruited out of high school which is why he ended up at Wyoming. But look at him. He's ten feet tall, built like a brick shithouse, and has a fucking howitzer for an arm. He was one of the best QBs talent-wise the Mountain West has ever seen, he just played for a shitty team nobody cares about. Just because they never saw him on tv, internet scouts think a guy sucks. Ben Rothlisberger went to Miami of Ohio for christ sake, and people said the same shit about him.
Nobody knows what they're talking about in the media because they don't watch NCAAF.

I had the chance to watch Allen play in person a few times. Shit was ridiculous. He was so obviously better than everyone else on the Wyoming offense, and pretty much every opposing defender as well. I was honestly kind of shocked at how highly touted he was, considering where he played.