WWAWD VPNs?

[Meownaw]

I just use it to torrent on my old laptop. I don't use a VPN on my day to day jerking off online.

For the same price you could just get a seedbox.

 

[DMbA]

To mask your IP from anyone who isn't an intelligence agency that's already got you on their shitlist.

Again, they're not invisibility cloaks for prospective terrorists nor were they ever meant to be. It's something to disguise one aspect of your online footprint, and it's not like IP addresses are the be-all and end-all that dummies have pretended them to be either. Way more people have gotten doxed because of their email addresses or usernames and the stupid shit they post themselves than just IP.

What's a VPN for? To access region-blocked content. To prevent companies from mining your data or getting on your ass for pirating their products. To have a couple extra hurdles for litigious fucks like Patrick, or bored online beat cops in places like Britain where free speech doesn't exist.

The one thing it won't do? Prevent the feds from seeing you post serious criminal intent on a public forum and investigating it. If you are desperate to provoke the fucking FBI for some reason and you don't wanna get caught, then yeah, you should probably get better protection than a $5-10 a month subscription for a service which primarily advertises itself through Youtube ad reads.

I don't get it, if you are not hiding from the feds why would you need this shit other than to pirate and torrent stuff, all the RIAA shit is USA executive none outside get charged with the copyright shit. Online footprint? have they ever use that against anyone in a criminal investigation for now? The one that got busted are faggot retards that made fake fagcine card or stump the cat pit tao retards that bragged about it on Facebook

idk its all retarded

No Chinese or Russian companies got people arrested for internet shit, but the Swiss did, a company that bragged about how they are so trustworthy

 

[WifeStoreWill]

I use it to watch NFL games for $70 a year rather than paying $400 or whatever the YouTube price is going to be. I got tired of dealing with shitty buffering streaming sites. VPN works perfectly so it’s worth it to me.

 

[Steve Ramone]

Be a man and just rawdog the internet

 

[Chive Turkey]

I don't get it, if you are not hiding from the feds why would you need this shit other than to pirate and torrent stuff

It's useful if you happen to like laughing at stupid people on the Internet and those stupid people happen to be very litigious. Can't see how that relates to us at all, though.

Let's go back in time and re-examine Pat's lolsuit a bit. Let's also assume, purely for the sake of argument here, that Pat isn't a complete retard and instead of naming Quasi as a defendant, he leaves him out of the suit. I'll keep this brief.

Brinton subpoenas Quasi for his user info, Quasi complies. Since this site collects nothing but dummy IPs, the next step would be to subpoena Cloudflare itself for the actual logs. Let's say Cloudflare acquiesces and now Pat can request the ISPs for the personal info of the people those IPs belong to. 60 John Does so 60 different ISPs at the very most to contact. At this point, Pat would've had names if they had been using their actual IPs. An extremely involved, costly and lengthy process, but not impossible.

Introduce VPNs into the mix and the whole process becomes way more convoluted. Pat subpoenas the ISPs but it turns out the IPs all belong to VPN providers. There's likely a whole number of different ones used by the atalkers, so he'll have to approach them all in turn. Most of them are based in different countries with wildly different legal codes, so not only would Pat have to go international with his lawsuit, there's a good his case would be dismissed out of hand because his legal arguments just don't work in the Democratic Republic of Squigglevania.

By some miracle he does get his way. He now has to deal with the fact that most VPNs don't have dedicated fake IPs, but instead let a whole bunch of their users share one at a time and switch em up constantly. Pat'll get the news that there were 316 unique users using one of imposter IP at the exact time some comment calling him fat on onaforums ties in with that addrss. One fake IP out of sixty.

He'd never actually get that far though, because all the filing, research and legal back-and-forth would drag the whole suit out months and months. Even if given infinite money, any of the ISPs along any step of this process could've already ditched the necessary user info. They only keep shit on log for less than a year.

So in this case, VPNs help turn an already highly difficult but feasible malicious lawsuit into something that's essentially completely impractical. Again, its use is relatively minor but so is the cost of a subscription. It's best to look at it as a very basic insurance policy, a rudimentary tool that you probably might not need 99% of the time but something that could be quite useful in the 1% that you do if you're the type that likes to be a rascal on the Internet.

No Chinese or Russian companies got people arrested for internet shit, but the Swiss did, a company that bragged about how they are so trustworthy

Chinese and Russian companies don't need to get people arrested for Internet shit, they've got the government for that, ya dummy. The Internet is heavily censored in China and Russia, VPNs are banned, and any attempts to circumvent censorship will land you in jail if the authorities find out. Besides that, those countries have a myriad of insane speech laws that mean you could enjoy prison for saying things we'd consider to be innocuous boomerposting.

That Swiss company didn't get those guys arrested, they got themselves arrested. Did you read the article? Those retards were glowing hard and openly organizing a grand festival of burglary, vandalism and public disorder. The frog cops pulled on the one lead they had, the Protonmail address, and that ended with Proton GmbH receiving a subpoena from their own government.

That's the crucial difference between some clueless private dickwad like Pat getting his ego hurt and law enforcement pursuing a criminal investigation. The latter have the time, resources, motivation and clout to breeze past those steps I was talking about, and they know enough about the law to make sure you're guilty of something before they go through all that effort. A company like Proton could try to fight a subpoena like that, but there'd be no point. That's why everyone bends the knee when the fedbois come a-knocking, unless they're genuinely trying to pull some legally dubious shit themselves, which this clearly wasn't.

If you say no to an subpoena from feds that's clearly legally sound, they're just gonna come back with a harsher court order and with your name on their naughty list forever. Be dumb enough to ignore that too and you'll be held in contempt and now you're facing charges yourself. Out of all the parties involved in clusterfucks, it's the intermediaries who are the only ones who are genuinely blameless and just caught up in the shitstorm.



one more for good luck: SUBPOENA

 

[Meownaw]

It's useful if you happen to like laughing at stupid people on the Internet and those stupid people happen to be very litigious. Can't see how that relates to us at all, though.

For real though, let's go back in time and re-examine Pat's lolsuit a bit. Let's also assume, purely for the sake of argument here, that Pat wasn't a complete retard and instead of naming Quasi as a defendant, he leaves him out of the suit. I'll keep this brief.

Brinton subpoenas Quasi for his user info, Quasi complies. Since this site collects nothing but dummy IPs, the next step would be to subpoena Cloudflare itself for the actual logs. Let's say Cloudflare acquiesces and now Pat can request the ISPs for the personal info of the people those IPs belong to. 60 John Does so 60 different ISPs at most to contact. At this point, Pat would've had names if they had been using their actual IPs. An extremely involved, costly and lengthy process, but not impossible.

Introduce VPNs into the mix and the whole process becomes way more convoluted. Pat subpoenas the ISPs but it turns out the IPs all belong to VPN providers. There's likely a whole number of different ones used by the atalkers, so he'll have to approach them all in turn. Most of them are based in different countries with wildly different legal codes, so not only would Pat have to go international with his lawsuit, there's a good his case would be dismissed out of hand because his legal arguments just don't apply in the Democratic Republic of Squigglevania.

By some miracle he does get his way, he now has to deal with the fact that most VPNs don't have dedicated fake IPs, but instead let a whole bunch of their users share at a time and switch em up constantly. Pat'll get the news that there were 316 unique users using one of imposter IP at the exact time some comment calling him fat on onaforums ties with that. One fake IP out of sixty.

He'd never actually get that far though, because all the filing, research and legal back-and-forth would drag the whole suit out months and months. Even if given infinite money, any of the ISPs along any step of this process could've already ditched the necessary user info. They only keep shit on log for less than a year.

So in this case, VPNs help turn an already highly difficult but feasible vexatious lawsuit into something that's essentially completely impractical. Again, its use is relatively minor but so is the cost of a subscription. It's best to look at it as a very basic insurance policy, a rudimentary tool that you probably might not need 99% of the time but something that could be quite useful in the 1% that you do if you're the type that likes to be a funster on the Internet.


Chinese and Russian companies don't need to get people arrested for Internet shit, they've got the government for that, ya dummy. The Internet is heavily censored in China and Russia, VPNs are banned, and any attempts to circumvent censorship will land you in jail if the authorities find out. Besides that, those countries have a myriad of insane speech laws that mean you could enjoy prison for saying things we'd consider to be innocuous boomerposting.

That Swiss company didn't get those guys arrested, they got themselves arrested. Did you read the article? Those retards were glowing hard and openly organizing a grand festival of burglary, vandalism and public disorder. The frog cops pulled on the one lead they had, the Protonmail address, and that ended with Proton GmbH receiving a subpoena from their own government.

That's the crucial difference between some clueless private dickwad like Pat getting his ego hurt and law enforcement pursuing a criminal investigation. The latter have the time, resources, motivation and clout to breeze past those steps I was talking about, and they know enough about the law to make sure you're guilty of something before they go through all that effort. A company like Proton could try to fight a subpoena like that, but there'd be no point. That's why everyone bends the knee when the fedbois come a-knocking, unless they're genuinely trying to pull some legally dubious shit themselves, which this clearly wasn't.

If you say no to an subpoena from feds that's clearly legally sound, they're just gonna come back with a harsher court order and with your name on their naughty list forever. Be dumb enough to ignore that too and you'll be held in contempt and now you're facing charges yourself. Out of all the parties involved in clusterfucks, it's the intermediaries who are the only ones who are genuinely blameless and just caught up in the shitstorm.



one more for good luck: SUBPOENA

Oh...You were finished?? Well allow me to retort...
Post your contact info so we can sue you for libel.
Oh, what? You can’t do that? Why not? I’m sure you have ample proof to back your ridiculously malicious and false accusations of misogyny, alleged acts of racism, legal charges of pedophilia, and the rest of your bullshit buzz-words that are used by millennials like you, who with no conscience whatsoever throw around those once very powerful words for the sole purpose of gaining the upper hand and public support of your constituents whenever you get involved in an altercation. Problem is, most people have a hard time believing anonymous users on a site known for using these tactics in an attempt to damage reputations and interfere with ones right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (sound vaguely familiar?)
The core purpose your forum is driven by envy, jealousy, failure, having no sense of purpose in your life and the desire to be prominent amongst of your equally dysfunctional pals on your ever diminishing platform. They’ve now become the magically shrinking Kiwi Farms. Good move not using an kf related name.
You’re now constantly being attrited and for good and wholesome reasons...Good will always triumph over evil.
Read on:
What this poster hasn’t mentioned is that every last DMCA that has been filed by myself, either on my own or with legal authorization by others who wish they had the time and energy to do so, are completely and totally legitimate and legal. There’s nothing false or illegal about the DMCA’s that I’ve filed. All Photos and videos on the internet were taken by someone, therefore someone owns the copyright to every last one of those photos and videos. I’m thorough in my filing. The sub just has too many ignorant members that don’t listen to the more logical moderators, and refrain from posting photos and videos that are reportable. They’re blinded by their desire to have their 15 mins and more importantly by their very real and palpable hatred.
Reddit has too much to lose and will never take the stance of a “Kiwi Farms” type of forum that a few sociopathic individuals run in their Moms house. They’re doing the only thing they can, taking infringing content down. If and when Reddit Legal receives enough of those legitimate DMCA’s they shut down the sub. It’s really that simple. So for Johnny Cakes, Frunkass, and the other dozen or so sociopaths on that sub who suck all the fun out of what a subreddit is supposed to be... and fantasize about a lawsuit against me.... I have one word... SUBPOENA. Stop already.
I’ve filed 100’s of legitimate DMCA’s over the past several months, admittedly with the sole intention of having Opie and Anthony related subs banned. They’ve dedicated themselves to libel, harassment, and outright real-life bullying on and off the sub. Not just name calling and ridicule. I could care less about that. Their anonymity is what empowers them to post libelous and defamatory content. If not for that anonymity, which I believe is the reason for them not filing a single counter claim, they would find themselves in civil court facing a large number of defamation and libel suits by many of their “victims”.
There’s a reoccurring pattern of them using my intellectual property as Illustrations to accompany their ridiculous accusations of projected (typically) pedophilia, misogyny, anti-Semitism, Homosexuality etc... toward my family, friends and myself. They’re in the habit of using other individuals Intellectual property to drive home their abysmal message of hatred and libel.
So Again, there’s been nothing illegal about any of the DMCA’s I’ve filed. For me to do so would be a dire mistake on my part. I’m achieving the desired results playing by the rules. Why jeopardize that? REMINDER: This sub has gone so far as to brigade and bully my employers to the point of them letting me go from a few of my jobs, all in the name of “having fun picking on old guys”. That’s the only reason they’ve ever given for their atrocious behavior. This sub brigades to the point of bullying venues, agencies and other people in the entertainment industry into avoiding me, by utilizing dozens of anonymous emails and phone calls...many using the names of past Opie and Anthony guests, show members and friends to further try to get my attention and aggravate.
This particular sub consisting mainly of envious millennials loves to reiterate the fact that I’m 60 and for the most part retired (according to the sub”70 and near death”) and that I have a stream of income due to business dealings with my brother. They like to call it “welfare”, and are constantly mocking the fact that I have income that’s not worked for. They like to call me a leech. Why they do this is beyond me. In addition to the fact that they think I’m a bum, they put a large amount of effort into taking my work (which they call a hobby) away from me and my band members.
It became personal for me when the sub (and it’s 7 or so now banned predecessors) started harassing and bullying my 11 year old daughter, my deceased Mother, My innocent Sister, and my longtime GF, all for the purpose of trying to rile me up and get a reaction out of me to use as fodder for the sub. Interfering with my every day real-life has become a game of sorts for them, supposedly it was brought upon by a comment I made some years back. “You have no effect on my life”.... meaning that an internet forum that shit-talks people...especially people with any amount of notoriety, has the absolute right to do so, but in reality..does nothing to affect my bottom line $ or my real world reputation.
I support 1A, I defended that right, amongst others. by serving in the Army for 3yrs. (another fact that this particular subreddit seems to love mocking) People have the right to say what they want. When it became a “challenge” for the sub to get my attention, they took it to the next level. That’s where the line between 1A right and libelous accusations that damage ones reputation, employability and the right to live a life undeterred by malicious internet trolls was crossed. All for the sake of getting someone’s attention and having “fun” hurting a “boomer”.
My Reddit post karma alone is clear evidence of brigading. The downvoting that this comment alone will incur by the brigading, bee hive mentality of the O&A related sub shows that there’s collusion amongst the members of this subreddit and its moderators to do real life damage to certain people they see as “less than human”. Phone calls to my business and texts to my business number calling for my untimely death, taunting, horrific allegations...All of that means ZERO to me. Commentary about me and my brother written and posted on the sub, means nothing to anyone but the sub.
When my family became the focus of the Opie and Anthony leftover psychopaths, it Became a problem that needed to be dealt with.
I liken what I’ve been FORCED to do (DMCA’s) with something that I was always intrigued with:
When Chicago mobster and really really bad guy, Al Capone (aka The Sub), was on a rampage against his enemies in the 20-30’s (Innocent Family and Friends) the Feds couldn’t imprison him for murder (aka- the subs libelous and malicious harassment and real life bullying, job interference, Doxxing my 11 year old daughters info). They did finally find a way to make his empire (aka- Opie and Anthony subreddit) crumble though fervently prosecuting him for the the less serious crime (but serious enough to get the job done) of tax evasion (aka-Copyright Infringement). They went another way entirely to get the desired results for the purpose of removing an evil, evil man from civilized society.
I (we) will continue to report this evil sub and file legitimate and legal DMCA’s at every turn until it’s gone.
Stop interfering with people’s real lives and livelihoods, and we’ll leave your stupid sub alone. Plain and simple.

 

[Chive Turkey]

 

[Udders]

I've used ExpressVPN for a few years now and am very happy with it. Always fast, and plenty of servers to chose from.

 

[Turk February]

I've got a VPN. That stands for Very Nice Penis. BOOM.

 

[medium wyzzz]

I use proton

 

[PickleRickle]

I dunno but I had a not-too-bright girlfriend who thought "horny goat weed" sounded so funny when Anthony did live reads that she actually bought some and she was so proud when she showed it to me and was disappointed when I asked her why she wasted money on that shit. I guess I forgot to laugh.

She wanted your dick harder?

 

[WheelchairFred]

She wanted your dick harder?

Fucking walked right into that one, limp faucet dick first.

 

[JamieConway]

I would have never bought a VPN sub before I got pinched for torrenting 3 years ago...the (((Curb))) finale of all things.

 

[DMbA]

It's useful if you happen to like laughing at stupid people on the Internet and those stupid people happen to be very litigious. Can't see how that relates to us at all, though.

Let's go back in time and re-examine Pat's lolsuit a bit. Let's also assume, purely for the sake of argument here, that Pat isn't a complete retard and instead of naming Quasi as a defendant, he leaves him out of the suit. I'll keep this brief.

Brinton subpoenas Quasi for his user info, Quasi complies. Since this site collects nothing but dummy IPs, the next step would be to subpoena Cloudflare itself for the actual logs. Let's say Cloudflare acquiesces and now Pat can request the ISPs for the personal info of the people those IPs belong to. 60 John Does so 60 different ISPs at the very most to contact. At this point, Pat would've had names if they had been using their actual IPs. An extremely involved, costly and lengthy process, but not impossible.

Introduce VPNs into the mix and the whole process becomes way more convoluted. Pat subpoenas the ISPs but it turns out the IPs all belong to VPN providers. There's likely a whole number of different ones used by the atalkers, so he'll have to approach them all in turn. Most of them are based in different countries with wildly different legal codes, so not only would Pat have to go international with his lawsuit, there's a good his case would be dismissed out of hand because his legal arguments just don't work in the Democratic Republic of Squigglevania.

By some miracle he does get his way. He now has to deal with the fact that most VPNs don't have dedicated fake IPs, but instead let a whole bunch of their users share one at a time and switch em up constantly. Pat'll get the news that there were 316 unique users using one of imposter IP at the exact time some comment calling him fat on onaforums ties in with that addrss. One fake IP out of sixty.

He'd never actually get that far though, because all the filing, research and legal back-and-forth would drag the whole suit out months and months. Even if given infinite money, any of the ISPs along any step of this process could've already ditched the necessary user info. They only keep shit on log for less than a year.

So in this case, VPNs help turn an already highly difficult but feasible malicious lawsuit into something that's essentially completely impractical. Again, its use is relatively minor but so is the cost of a subscription. It's best to look at it as a very basic insurance policy, a rudimentary tool that you probably might not need 99% of the time but something that could be quite useful in the 1% that you do if you're the type that likes to be a rascal on the Internet.


Chinese and Russian companies don't need to get people arrested for Internet shit, they've got the government for that, ya dummy. The Internet is heavily censored in China and Russia, VPNs are banned, and any attempts to circumvent censorship will land you in jail if the authorities find out. Besides that, those countries have a myriad of insane speech laws that mean you could enjoy prison for saying things we'd consider to be innocuous boomerposting.

That Swiss company didn't get those guys arrested, they got themselves arrested. Did you read the article? Those retards were glowing hard and openly organizing a grand festival of burglary, vandalism and public disorder. The frog cops pulled on the one lead they had, the Protonmail address, and that ended with Proton GmbH receiving a subpoena from their own government.

That's the crucial difference between some clueless private dickwad like Pat getting his ego hurt and law enforcement pursuing a criminal investigation. The latter have the time, resources, motivation and clout to breeze past those steps I was talking about, and they know enough about the law to make sure you're guilty of something before they go through all that effort. A company like Proton could try to fight a subpoena like that, but there'd be no point. That's why everyone bends the knee when the fedbois come a-knocking, unless they're genuinely trying to pull some legally dubious shit themselves, which this clearly wasn't.

If you say no to an subpoena from feds that's clearly legally sound, they're just gonna come back with a harsher court order and with your name on their naughty list forever. Be dumb enough to ignore that too and you'll be held in contempt and now you're facing charges yourself. Out of all the parties involved in clusterfucks, it's the intermediaries who are the only ones who are genuinely blameless and just caught up in the shitstorm.



one more for good luck: SUBPOENA

...

So what you are saying is people need to pay 9.99 a month in an off chance that Chris Chan may sue them as Jonny Doe #56 at one point? As if Pat isn't the most retarded person on earth(1 of the 8 billions) to try that?

Who gives a shit about Chinese in China or Russians in Russia, they know what not to do. will baidu or yandex agree to help track foreigners and hand over the data like proton did so easily?

Proton should rebrand themselves as Tomlinson GMBH, acktually they only subpenis our mail server they can't subpenis our VPN servers, while some Frenchie is enjoying prison on their behalf

 

[DMbA]

If you don't know much about cybersecurity then VPNs will be inherently useless to you. Most companies nowadays don't even use IP addresses for profiling you, because of the fact that so many people share the same internet connection and/or use VPNs. Instead, they use fingerprinting and other metadata collected from your session to determine who you are and build a profile on you.

Things like the current volume on your phone, the browser model/version, the OS, the brightness, the resolution, and so on and so forth.

When used in conjunction with anti-fingerprinting methods, VPNs can be good for privacy on the internet. However, for the most part, they are only good for covering up your illegal activities. And again, if you don't know a very good amount about cybersecurity, you will probably leave a ton of holes open for someone to identify you. It's not as simple as turning it on and being impenetrable.

With all that being said, any US-based VPNs should be completely off the table as they all collect logs (even if they say that they don't) and their servers can easily be compromised by US authorities. ExpressVPN, Nord, TunnelBear etc. are all terrible options and complete wastes of money (some of them have given away customer data to authorities).

I personally use Mullvad, since they have a proven track record of keeping no logs. You can even mail them cash to pay the $5/mo if you really wanted to leave no traces. Here's a recent example (among many others):
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So what's the point of VPN really, just so Facebook don't know you were watching cat videos and jack to interracial porn? It's crazy how much bs they can pull on people, there's no way this shit is any good against the feds if they have to advertise on podcasts alongside with nigger and fart jokes

 

[Smeckler's Powder]

I would have never bought a VPN sub before I got pinched for torrenting 3 years ago...the (((Curb))) finale of all things.

I think HBO are the only fuckers doing that. Only time I got popped was Entourage 15 years ago