Was Steve Carlesi a good producer?

[DMAN]

I could be wrong, but I also think Steve had either the old master tapes of the days before XM, or he had personal recordings of them that older radio stations/XM didn't, which XM would have the legal right to play, but the only copy existed with Steve. The speculation was that Opie did the Opie thing and began to distance from Steve, and during that time they asked for the old tapes Steve held onto for best ofs and shit. Steve in response wanted to cash out, knowing his time there was coming to an end.

Like I said, I could be dead wrong, but that's what I understood as a loose timeline of what happened. Feel free to correcT the record if I'm wrong.

Wrong, Steve was in possession of videos from the show that he himself filmed with his own cameras, hosted on his own sites, etc.

The remastered videos all came from Steve's original files. The old ones that has been online for decades were all compressed to hell.

Maybe that’s why XM ended up removing his position altogether. How many years into satellite did he last? At least into the merger.

They got rid of his position as an easy way to fire him.

 

[Bernard Murphy]

Wrong, Steve was in possession of videos from the show that he himself filmed with his own cameras, hosted on his own sites, etc.

The remastered videos all came from Steve's original files. The old ones that has been online for decades were all compressed to hell.



They got rid of his position as an easy way to fire him.

I think there is a legitimate argument on both sides. Hey he filmed them for his website, but he did do it while working there, in their offices, using their employees, etc.

 

[lowend73]

Norton and him probably sucked each other's cocks

 

[DMAN]

I think there is a legitimate argument on both sides. Hey he filmed them for his website, but he did do it while working there, in their offices, using their employees, etc.

That's why it's not so easy to dismiss either side of the argument like most people want to.

O&A gave Steve purpose after his failed music career. O&A gave Steve the idea for adapting foundrymusic.com into an early version of a meme site like eBaumsWorld/funnyjunk/etc. As the site grew, Steve was benefitting monetarily, and growing his own online business by leveraging his day job. O&A afforded Steve every opportunity he had, and they never took a penny from his website because they had jobs. Jobs that Steve was using to grow his own business.

Without the show, there was no "Steve money" to keep the site hosted, there was no content for him to record, there were no hits to the website. There would later be no 'foundry cam girls' or any staff writing dumb blogs. Foundry was a nice little site in the mid 2000's, thanks entirely to the O&A show planting the seeds for Steve.

Steve went above and beyond at work because he stood to gain from it by double dipping. O&A did him a favor, and he did them a service in exchange. Steve was paid handsomely the entire time, and then at the end he decided it was time for him to TRIPLE dip and get paid a THIRD time for shit he had already gotten paid for twice (by both WNEW and his own small business) which he, again, built by leveraging O&A's success.

 

[Mr. Faggotry]

This whole "Steve was a good guy" thing is crazy to me.

Steve was a smut-pusher, basically an e-Pimp who would recruit teenage girls to become webcam whores decades before OnlyFans became mainstream.

He was a sleazeball. This misconception that Steve was being a saint, paying for O&A out of his own pocket is nonsense. Steve was ROLLING in money that he made online back in the heyday by plugging his site on WNEW (and syndicated spots) to sell camgirl content, which he then spent peanuts on the hosting. Steve was double dipping off the O&A brand.

He never said he was doing it for free or being a saint hosting the videos. He said that they cost money to host and the ads that O&A+J were bitching about were the only reason he was able host. The boys wanted him to continue hosting and to point FM’s domain to OpieandAnthony.com while removing all porn/cam girl ads, while also not paying for the hosting or the catalog. At one point during the conversation the worm said something like, “ok then why can’t we just pay for the hosting?”, which completely discounts everything Steve built up through sleaze advertising.

It be like Cumia piping up one day and saying that FH Reilly’s had to start paying for advertising on the show and that the only reason they’re even in business is because of O&A plugs.

 

[DMAN]

He said that they cost money to host and the ads that O&A+J were bitching about were the only reason he was able host

The ads he was making money off of BECAUSE his site was getting clicks BECAUSE of the radio show he worked on.

Never try to talk about money, beyond the money you put into Auntie Cumia's pocket every month, flaming fucking faggot.

 

[JoeCumiawearsDIAPERS]

That's why it's not so easy to dismiss either side of the argument like most people want to.

O&A gave Steve purpose after his failed music career. O&A gave Steve the idea for adapting foundrymusic.com into an early version of a meme site like eBaumsWorld/funnyjunk/etc. As the site grew, Steve was benefitting monetarily, and growing his own online business by leveraging his day job. O&A afforded Steve every opportunity he had, and they never took a penny from his website because they had jobs. Jobs that Steve was using to grow his own business.

Without the show, there was no "Steve money" to keep the site hosted, there was no content for him to record, there were no hits to the website. There would later be no 'foundry cam girls' or any staff writing dumb blogs. Foundry was a nice little site in the mid 2000's, thanks entirely to the O&A show planting the seeds for Steve.

Steve went above and beyond at work because he stood to gain from it by double dipping. O&A did him a favor, and he did them a service in exchange. Steve was paid handsomely the entire time, and then at the end he decided it was time for him to TRIPLE dip and get paid a THIRD time for shit he had already gotten paid for twice (by both WNEW and his own small business) which he, again, built by leveraging O&A's success.

Fair points. It sounds to me like Steve was good at recognizing the value of old and behind the scenes / bonus content and making sure it was getting views before it got mainstream.

It also seems like he caught lightning in a bottle in a lot of ways. Content creators probably didn’t think about monetizing their back catalogs like they do now.

WCW sold their entire catalog and brand to WWE for like $2M so I can see why O&A took a “fuck it, go ahead” type attitude with their old shit, which was just recordings of old morning shows.

On top of that, old O&A shit still draws listeners on YouTube to this day. What other radio show aside from stern could possibly say that?

Seems like he struck gold by having a platform to host, another to promote, free content that drew, and some smut marks to pay for ad space. Nice little situation there isn’t it?

 

[LingerLonger]

Not only did Steve have ads from camgirl sites and sex slavery sites. But he also had ads that were flat out trojan viruses and ransomware.

 

[Ladynyahh]

IF YOU SEE ME COMIN BEST GET OUT OF MYYYY WAAAAY

 

[Mr. Faggotry]

The ads he was making money off of BECAUSE his site was getting clicks BECAUSE of the radio show he worked on.

Never try to talk about money, beyond the money you put into Auntie Cumia's pocket every month, flaming fucking faggot.

This is the dumbest point you have ever made. Opie and Anthony didn’t care to have a web presence. They didn’t even start taking the internet seriously until about 2010 when the old faggots discovered Twitter.

So Steve starts hosting their material on his already successful porn cam site and ten years later they decide they should get said content and website for free, while also bitching about watermarking, which every website did pre-YouTube.

You could easily make the case that almost everything from 2000-2008 would have been audio only if Steve didn’t host it. Their 30 man staff couldn’t setup a domain and start hosting videos years before they bitched at Steve about watermarks?

 

[1950'sSpaceProgram]

Steve also brought some 'documentary' to them where a guy stands in front of a canvas and someone shoots him with a gun and the blood sprays on the canvas as an art project. But they had to keep the shooting secret as it was illegal to shoot someone even for art. Turned out the documentary was entirely a hoax but Steve stupidly bought into it and presented it like it was legitimate. "I'm tell you it's real". So everyone goofed on him yet again for not being able to tell real from fake.

When I was a kid, I also saw that doc, and for years also thought it was real. I only learned the truth when it was brought up on the show.

But I also wasn't a 45 year old Lebanese bear.

 

[DMAN]

WCW sold their entire catalog and brand to WWE for like $2M so I can see why O&A took a “fuck it, go ahead” type attitude with their old shit, which was just recordings of old morning shows.

The Johnny Carson episodes were taped over. Thankfully Erock was an early archivist for O&A which is why he was hired at XM. And WCW WWF purchase was an undercover hostile takeover. That wasn't true business, that brand was worth billions irl without McMahon revisionism. Even with the damage. Their tape library and history of the NWA is still worth as much as WWF if exploited properly but of course it was run by redneck hick retards with no sense who kept hiring Vince;'s spies.

They didn’t even start taking the internet seriously until about 2010 when the old faggots discovered Twitter.

Lol, Just say that you weren't there. Anthony was the one who started their first website. Anthony posted on all the fan boards, and brought up the forum drama on the show, ultimately dumping out any responses he didn't like. It was in their contract they couldn't promote a 3rd party website not controlled by their parent company, because especially after the The Rock fiasco with Sickboy all the companies knew O&A couldn't be trusted online. This is why KRock ran their website during the krock-freefm era.

You don't know shit but you shell out money to Anthony every month. White nigger.

So Steve starts hosting their material on his already successful porn cam site

False. Foundrymusic was registered for Steve's failed band in mid-90s and got no traffic. Then repurposed into the UNOFFICIAL O&A site in 1999 when Steve worked for WNEW. It wasn't until after O&A had promoted the URL in syndicated radio for years that the website became a Media Destination on the information super highway as they uhh say. Steve branched out into porn, camgirls, blogs written by Danny Ross around 2001 to the XM Years long after O&A handed him the freedom to establish his own escape hatch like Compound Media... which you yourself are a n admitted paypig for.

Steve was paid by WNEW to produce the O&A show's content. That included the labor necessary for marketing and promotional material like video of performances to be used online during the height of the great unknown internet phenomenon. Steve was afforded a position to turn that into a side hustle.

Look at it like this: You're a guy who pays to be in on this thing. And Steve was a guy making money from and on both sides of this thing. So keep your charitable mouth shut, asshole.

It be like Cumia piping up one day and saying that FH Reilly’s had to start paying for advertising on the show and that the only reason they’re even in business is because of O&A plugs.

Even as an Investor who is deep in the Cumia Business, even you have to admit Auntie was too much of a "no eye-contact" abused dog COWARD to ever mention that to Opie. Unless of course it was about his secret homo activity with his failed marriage Mickey Rourke faced wife. Then at that point, Auntie would just dump out the call, ruining the show.

You are really a little white nigger girl who will defend Auntie like you're Danny Ross in the honeymoon phase. Cock sucking fruit basket.

 

[HeyItsVos]

I don’t like what my two favorite O&A historians are revealing about Steve. I always liked the guy. This is like when I learned Lincoln freed the slaves. I’m heartbroken.

 

[JoeCumiawearsDIAPERS]

The Johnny Carson episodes were taped over. Thankfully Erock was an early archivist for O&A which is why he was hired at XM. And WCW WWF purchase was an undercover hostile takeover. That wasn't true business, that brand was worth billions irl without McMahon revisionism. Even with the damage. Their tape library and history of the NWA is still worth as much as WWF if exploited properly but of course it was run by redneck hick retards with no sense who kept hiring Vince;'s spies.

I can't speak to the NWA piece but I don't think WCW brand was worth billions at that point. It was losing money and had a bunch of high dollar, long-term contracts that had to be honored with no TV deal so Bischoff would have had to go shop it to other networks to get back on TV. Streaming wasn't a thing back then so what good would the catalog have been to an investor who needed to get the ROI sooner rather than later?

That being said, the WCW deal was still pretty fucking shady. If I remember it correctly, I think Vince could pick and choose the assets he wanted once once Turner decided to cancel the shows, and I believe he may have had the first right of refusal on top of that. I don't know how the fuck he worked his way into that one but that's why they call him the genetic jackhammer.

 

[guest]

He looked like he produced a lot of sweat and poopies

 

[BonnieMcFarlaneMe2]

That's why it's not so easy to dismiss either side of the argument like most people want to.

O&A gave Steve purpose after his failed music career. O&A gave Steve the idea for adapting foundrymusic.com into an early version of a meme site like eBaumsWorld/funnyjunk/etc. As the site grew, Steve was benefitting monetarily, and growing his own online business by leveraging his day job. O&A afforded Steve every opportunity he had, and they never took a penny from his website because they had jobs. Jobs that Steve was using to grow his own business.

Without the show, there was no "Steve money" to keep the site hosted, there was no content for him to record, there were no hits to the website. There would later be no 'foundry cam girls' or any staff writing dumb blogs. Foundry was a nice little site in the mid 2000's, thanks entirely to the O&A show planting the seeds for Steve.

Steve went above and beyond at work because he stood to gain from it by double dipping. O&A did him a favor, and he did them a service in exchange. Steve was paid handsomely the entire time, and then at the end he decided it was time for him to TRIPLE dip and get paid a THIRD time for shit he had already gotten paid for twice (by both WNEW and his own small business) which he, again, built by leveraging O&A's success.

And that’s how you executive produce.

 

[DMAN]

That being said, the WCW deal was still pretty fucking shady. If I remember it correctly, I think Vince could pick and choose the assets he wanted once once Turner decided to cancel the shows, and I believe he may have had the first right of refusal on top of that. I don't know how the fuck he worked his way into that one but that's why they call him the genetic jackhammer.

The sale was facilitated by Stu Snyder from the Turner side, who was college buddies with Vince and worked at WWF right before he moved to Turner. The sale was just a means to shutdown the competition. There is also the longstanding belief that Vince Russo was sent to WCW by McMahon, which I also believe.

It was losing money and had a bunch of high dollar, long-term contracts that had to be honored with no TV deal so Bischoff would have had to go shop it to other networks to get back on TV.

The high dollar contracts were directly with Turner, which is why the big names sat out instead of WWF action and still got paid. There were enough names and young guys to keep WCW going, rehab the image, and counter-program the WWF brand. There was an audience for family friendly wrestling that could have been useful to a large audience, especially kids who buy shirts and all that gay shit.

WCW was the #1 show on cable 2 years earlier, and never had to resort to "edgy" content. It was simply more reality oriented, and despite paling by WWF numbers, Nitro even on its deathbed still drew an audience of millions. It never got to the point of networks getting the chance to make offers... They never tried.

Streaming wasn't a thing back then so what good would the catalog have been to an investor who needed to get the ROI sooner rather than later?

The library went back to the 80's and had some of the most noteworthy and infamous moments to wrestling fans outside of the WWF bubble. Streaming has nothing to do with it, that mindset didn't even exist until recently. I'm talking how about useful that footage would have been to content creation and production in general. WWF didn't really take advantage of their own library until 2001 and 2002 anyway.

Also in 2001, the Turner South network ran a "WCW Classics" show that outlived the company by a few months. It was just a best of reel of classic wrestling. Even the corporation that wanted to get rid of WCW and was humiliated by it knew that using the old NWA and WCW footage was the perfect way to build a brand new network from the ground up. Small networks always use wrestling to grow, and they pay out the ass for it.

 

[Milk74]

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