Things Stupid Guidos Misinterpret About The Sopranos

[Sue Lightning]

They're proud about the Columbus Day episode even though it's fucking shit.

The episode is shit but it makes good points that again are lost on Italians. The entire episodes theme is people feeling a sense of identity and persecution through a lineage they don’t even know. Hesh brings up Hitler despite being a millionaire mob guy never experiencing the Holocaust. The Spanish guy brings up his people being slaughtered while also being a millionaire never experiencing it. Same with the black guy talking about the slave trade and the same with Silvio talking about Colombus. It’s a bunch of people using their cultures tragedies to gain something, mostly victimhood. The episode is one of the most “on the nose” about it’s point and it’s insane people miss it.

 

[Build Black Better]

Things Stupid Guidos Misinterpret About The Sopranos

That it was a good show worthy of being discussed 16 years later.

 

[HH Brother]

Gangster/mob media always seem to have that issue. When I was growing up retards wanted to be like Tony Montana.

Rascals all loved getting airbrushed t shirts of that little twerp, funster.

 

[TomFromNawlins]

The episode is shit but it makes good points that again are lost on Italians. The entire episodes theme is people feeling a sense of identity and persecution through a lineage they don’t even know. Hesh brings up Hitler despite being a millionaire mob guy never experiencing the Holocaust. The Spanish guy brings up his people being slaughtered while also being a millionaire never experiencing it. Same with the black guy talking about the slave trade and the same with Silvio talking about Colombus. It’s a bunch of people using their cultures tragedies to gain something, mostly victimhood. The episode is one of the most “on the nose” about it’s point and it’s insane people miss it.

To be honest I’ve yet to see a fan of the show not get the point of this episode, whether dago or regular person.

 

[Prince Bvstin]

The bit where they ruin the sports store guys life is the real tell of how shitty and short minded those people are. Wops will look at that episode as a rube who got outsmarted by the mob but in actual fact, the "family" act like roaches pulling a con on the guy after befriending him. The show was great at pushing the limits of how low they could make a lovable rogue go without the audience hating him indefinitely. The bit where he gives meadow her friends car knowing how she would react shows what a manipulative piece of shit he really was.

 

[Build Black Better]

When I was growing up retards wanted to be like Tony Montana.

Say hello to my little friend He's growing up.

 

[LockedHDD__Pot]

I'm not gonna read the tosh above me ^^^ but I'll say this: italiens are being cucked by instagram niggas, selling weed & whatnot while those old wops try to get 10% from a dying pizza shop. Tell Boomia I'll meet him in the car park (lot?). Dumb italiens need to know it's bedtime!

 

[Meownaw]

I'm not gonna read the tosh above me ^^^ but I'll say this: italiens are being cucked by instagram niggas, selling weed & whatnot while those old wops try to get 10% from a dying pizza shop. Tell Boomia I'll meet him in the car park (lot?). Dumb italiens need to know it's bedtime!

How about the tosh below you?

 

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How about the tosh below you?
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I didn't mean any offence bro, funny tho'

 

[satanssockpuppet]

Just as annoying as the mouth-breathing guidos are the zoomer faggots who think they see all kinds of retarded clues in the show that simply do not exist. "I think AJs girlfriend was working with NY"...no, retard, it's not "Lost" and you didn't just solve the show. Nowadays, anything with even a modicum of intelligence goes flying right over everyone's heads.

 

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I always thought the point of that scene was to throw cold water on the audience through Carmela.

It is but not in the way that people usually interpret things. Carmela realizes that this therapist is a retard. He tells her to just go up and leave her husband as if Tony can't send a mafia crew to track her down and take the kids back. And possibly break her kneecaps or beat her into submission. Adriana is flat out murdered by Silvio. Tracy the stripper is beaten to death by Ralph. Meadow's boyfriend is murdered by Vito. Janice kills Richie. Carmela has seen a lot of this violence.

Carmela is not naive like the therapist. She knows that Tony is dangerous and resourceful and just "running away" is moronic. Tony goes after Carmela's lawyers and money directly when she threatens divorce. Imagine if she just grabbed the kids in the middle of the night what the consequences would be if she was found by Tony. Her leaving Tony is not possible.

That scene shows Carmela that she is trapped. It's either the FBI and witness protection and living in the middle of nowhere. Or living with Tony until he is arrested or dead. She can't leave Tony without the FBI controlling her for the rest of her life. And controlling the kids. She cries because she knows that Tony has already won. She then immediately begins long term planning for her own future and the kids for when Tony dies or is arrested.

The therapist is taking away her defense of not really knowing what Tony is doing, or at the very least being strung along and manipulated, and he tells her she complicit, she wrong. She's ruining her children, and she needs to leave the relationship. He's Chase being direct and telling the audience that Tony really is a piece of shit and he is actively poisoning his family, but Carmela is too.

She knows what Tony does. The therapist does not. He only knows what he has seen in Godfather or Casino. He is way out of his depth as are Melfi and the other shrinks. She cannot leave the relationship without outside help because leaving Tony means leaving the mafia. Carmela is not as powerful as the mafia. She needs the FBI.

On whether or not Phil was gay, it doesn't matter. The rules are the rules, and the other guys don't want to kill Vito because he brings in money, whereas Phil held on to mafia values as a way to survive in prison, though I'm not sure how long he was in there. He never says.
Anyway, it always irked me about people claiming because he came out of the closet that was suppose to be some huge clue.

There are books that flat out say that Richie was a rapist in prison. And that Phil was not. And that Richie's obsession with dominant sex with Janice like putting a gun to her head was to simulate rape. Because that was the only way that Richie could get his dick hard. Watch season two again and every conversation Richie is in has a reference to an erection. Beansie says "you got a hard-on for me since you got out" which sets Richie into a fury. Richie tells Christopher has he a "hard-on for him already". Richie is also insanely paranoid about his son being gay as well which Janice denies but then taunts Richie with it anyways because she is an idiot. Phil was just old school and hated queers. Him coming out of the closet was making fun of Vito.

The big thing with Sopranos is that they all have dysfunctional sex lives. Vito is gay. Ralph abuses women and takes dildos in the ass. Richie hits his wife and has rape fantasies and was gay in prison. Tony is a sex addict and abuses and hits women. Christopher beats his girlfriend and gets her on drugs. Silvio beats and rapes the Bing girls. Pussy emotionally abuses his wife out of frustration from being an FBI rat. Eugene abuses his family for the same reason.

These guys cannot have normal relationships because the mafia is not compatible with family life. Like both Junior and Paulie argue.

 

[Libby Son Of Loin]

It is but not in the way that people usually interpret things. Carmela realizes that this therapist is a retard. He tells her to just go up and leave her husband as if Tony can't send a mafia crew to track her down and take the kids back. And possibly break her kneecaps or beat her into submission. Adriana is flat out murdered by Silvio. Tracy the stripper is beaten to death by Ralph. Meadow's boyfriend is murdered by Vito. Janice kills Richie. Carmela has seen a lot of this violence.

Carmela is not naive like the therapist. She knows that Tony is dangerous and resourceful and just "running away" is moronic. Tony goes after Carmela's lawyers and money directly when she threatens divorce. Imagine if she just grabbed the kids in the middle of the night what the consequences would be if she was found by Tony. Her leaving Tony is not possible.

That scene shows Carmela that she is trapped. It's either the FBI and witness protection and living in the middle of nowhere. Or living with Tony until he is arrested or dead. She can't leave Tony without the FBI controlling her for the rest of her life. And controlling the kids. She cries because she knows that Tony has already won. She then immediately begins long term planning for her own future and the kids for when Tony dies or is arrested.

She knows what Tony does. The therapist does not. He only knows what he has seen in Godfather or Casino. He is way out of his depth as are Melfi and the other shrinks. She cannot leave the relationship without outside help because leaving Tony means leaving the mafia. Carmela is not as powerful as the mafia. She needs the FBI.

There are books that flat out say that Richie was a rapist in prison. And that Phil was not. And that Richie's obsession with dominant sex with Janice like putting a gun to her head was to simulate rape. Because that was the only way that Richie could get his dick hard. Watch season two again and every conversation Richie is in has a reference to an erection. Beansie says "you got a hard-on for me since you got out" which sets Richie into a fury. Richie tells Christopher has he a "hard-on for him already". Richie is also insanely paranoid about his son being gay as well which Janice denies but then taunts Richie with it anyways because she is an idiot. Phil was just old school and hated queers. Him coming out of the closet was making fun of Vito.

The big thing with Sopranos is that they all have dysfunctional sex lives. Vito is gay. Ralph abuses women and takes dildos in the ass. Richie hits his wife and has rape fantasies and was gay in prison. Tony is a sex addict and abuses and hits women. Christopher beats his girlfriend and gets her on drugs. Silvio beats and rapes the Bing girls. Pussy emotionally abuses his wife out of frustration from being an FBI rat. Eugene abuses his family for the same reason.

These guys cannot have normal relationships because the mafia is not compatible with family life. Like both Junior and Paulie argue.

The Lupertazzis were the "respectable" family relative to the business. Carmine, Johnny, Phil. The pygmy shit in Jersey is what really fucked it all up for everyone

 

[Sue Lightning]

It is but not in the way that people usually interpret things. Carmela realizes that this therapist is a retard. He tells her to just go up and leave her husband as if Tony can't send a mafia crew to track her down and take the kids back. And possibly break her kneecaps or beat her into submission. Adriana is flat out murdered by Silvio. Tracy the stripper is beaten to death by Ralph. Meadow's boyfriend is murdered by Vito. Janice kills Richie. Carmela has seen a lot of this violence.

Carmela is not naive like the therapist. She knows that Tony is dangerous and resourceful and just "running away" is moronic. Tony goes after Carmela's lawyers and money directly when she threatens divorce. Imagine if she just grabbed the kids in the middle of the night what the consequences would be if she was found by Tony. Her leaving Tony is not possible.

Sort of wrong. We see Carmela leave Tony in Season 4’s finale. Of course he doesn’t accept it at all but even he realizes he’s done. The only reason they get back together is out of a mutual agreement. Carmela is not a blameless victim. She loves the life and looks the other way when she gets what she wants. So she says “I’ll accept you back if I get the spec house” and Tony agrees to put off his cheating for a minor amount of time. It basically comes down to this. Carmela can leave Tony but she can’t really…leave him. She can physically move and divorce him but the knowledge of how he makes his money and what he’s done is always with her. The only way to truly cleanse herself is to go to the police which is TRULY impossible because, as you said, they had no problem offing Adrienne. Any non mob person was expendable including family.

That scene shows Carmela that she is trapped. It's either the FBI and witness protection and living in the middle of nowhere. Or living with Tony until he is arrested or dead. She can't leave Tony without the FBI controlling her for the rest of her life. And controlling the kids. She cries because she knows that Tony has already won. She then immediately begins long term planning for her own future and the kids for when Tony dies or is arrested.

The thing i’ll say is this. The show makes a point that Carmela knew who Tony was before they even started dating. She regrets not taking initiative in building her own life for herself but she also can’t escape the one she made. Even when they’re separated she’s living in his house with his money that he killed people for. So she’s trapped but its the idea that everyone makes their own bed. Tony had every initiative pushing him into the mob but he could have chosen to be a patio salesman as he says. Just as Carmela could have been married to the dude who’s father owned the hardware store.

She knows what Tony does. The therapist does not. He only knows what he has seen in Godfather or Casino. He is way out of his depth as are Melfi and the other shrinks. She cannot leave the relationship without outside help because leaving Tony means leaving the mafia. Carmela is not as powerful as the mafia. She needs the FBI.

I’m not disproving what you’re saying here but lending credibility to it. The show goes out of it’s way to make a point that the FBI is just as useless. Pussy goes missing and they don’t give a fuck. Same with Adrienne. They just move on to the next lead. Ray Curto literally dies in one of their squad cars and Gene kills himself because they won’t let him go to Florida. Everyone in this show is basically out for their own means and Carmela would arguably be less safe with the FBI than with Tony. She is truly trapped.

There are books that flat out say that Richie was a rapist in prison. And that Phil was not. And that Richie's obsession with dominant sex with Janice like putting a gun to her head was to simulate rape. Because that was the only way that Richie could get his dick hard. Watch season two again and every conversation Richie is in has a reference to an erection. Beansie says "you got a hard-on for me since you got out" which sets Richie into a fury. Richie tells Christopher has he a "hard-on for him already". Richie is also insanely paranoid about his son being gay as well which Janice denies but then taunts Richie with it anyways because she is an idiot. Phil was just old school and hated queers. Him coming out of the closet was making fun of Vito.

One of the first scenes we see with Richie as well is him getting a blowjob in the bing with the lights off and the strippers leave him to think to himself afterwards. It’s a pretty extended scene and is in there for a reason.

The big thing with Sopranos is that they all have dysfunctional sex lives. Vito is gay. Ralph abuses women and takes dildos in the ass. Richie hits his wife and has rape fantasies and was gay in prison. Tony is a sex addict and abuses and hits women. Christopher beats his girlfriend and gets her on drugs. Silvio beats and rapes the Bing girls. Pussy emotionally abuses his wife out of frustration from being an FBI rat. Eugene abuses his family for the same reason.

Not only that but a lot of the show revolves around toxic masculinity especially in relation to sex. Tony says its fine for Zellman to sleep with his ex then beats him senseless. Tony gets possessive over Chris fucking Julianna despite not even sleeping with her himself. The biggest plotpoint in season 1 is the fact that Junior eats pussy. There is so much to be said about the portrayal of sex on this show. Tony fucks everything that moves while he has a loving wife at home, but Carmela fantasizing about a man because her husband gives her nothing is unacceptable. Chris is a cheating junky who almost died but leaves Adrienne the minute she says she cant have kids. The whole catalyst for Ralph beating Tracy to death is “You feel like a man?” after hitting her. Ralph is probably the most complicated and in depth character we’re exposed to sexuality wise. Then you have the entire Vito saga. These are guys who kill for a living talking about how abhorrent it is this guy is a fag. Not only that, they’re almost willing to let it slide if he were doing the fucking. The fact he’s sucking cock means he has to go. Sex in this show is rarely emotional and we only ever seen it twice: When Carmela blows Tony for his birthday and when they have sex in the fur coat he bought her. Besides that it is abusive, transactional, and meant to show which character has the power in a situations.

 

[guest]

Lot of east coast ravioli Americans want to play mobster after watching these movies and shows, not realizing the mob are just pawns in the game allowed to operate by the real movers and shakers: the intelligence agencies (look into Luciano and Meyer Lansky's Syndicate being given permission to traffic heroin to "help the war effort"). The jewish element of these operations is hinted at (Melfi's family therapist waxing poetic about Murder Inc.), but like with Scorsese's and Coppola's films, never truly revealed, which might've been why Brando was so annoyed with Italians always being the fall guy for organized crime. It's no different from 3rd world countries and the cartels. They are allowed to do their thing so long as they don't upset the wrong people in power. The "cat and mouse" charade is just TV fantasy. Still like the show, but that's what I believe the case to be.

 

[Sue Lightning]

Lot of east coast ravioli Americans want to play mobster after watching these movies and shows, not realizing the mob are just pawns in the game allowed to operate by the real movers and shakers: the intelligence agencies (look into Luciano and Meyer Lansky's Syndicate being given permission to traffic heroin to "help the war effort"). The jewish element of these operations is hinted at (Melfi's family therapist waxing poetic about Murder Inc.), but like with Scorsese's and Coppola's films, never truly revealed, which might've been why Brando was so annoyed with Italians always being the fall guy for organized crime. It's no different from 3rd world countries and the cartels. They are allowed to do their thing so long as they don't upset the wrong people in power. The "cat and mouse" charade is just TV fantasy. Still like the show, but that's what I believe the case to be.

It is a well known fact the FBI refused to acknowledge the mafia existed until the 60’s when it became too big to hide. At this point the USA mob was 40 years old. Saying 3 letter agencies have any authority to shut down these operations is plain dumb. They have little to no authority to do so which is why the RICO acts were invented. If they could sweep every gang member off the street but chose not to theres no reason to let cartels or bloods and crips to run around. There are thousands of theories as to why the mob was ignored for those 40 years but its not like after they acknowledged it as real that was it. The mob went strong basically controlling every East coast union for another 30 years. The problem with any gang is they’re a self fulfilling operation that will always exist as long as the market is there.

It’s really cliche but drugs changed everything. It used to be that these low level guys who got picked up would beat the charges or do their times in prisons where connections made it easy. Then with drugs these guys were facing 30 to life. And it’s genius in terms of law enforcement. The only way you destroy gangs is by cutting off the head. However, referring to it as self fulfilling, a new leader comes in unless you get everyone at the top. I’m fucking all over the place here but when they killed Osama Bin Laden and then his second in command who took over after it absolutely splintered Al Quada. They still exist obviously but not nearly as organized or able to harm people. It’s the same idea with the mob. Putting Gotti and all of his upper level guys away essentially destroyed the mob from the inside.

My point over all of this rambling is that gangs are rooted in people who have little to no power in society making their own laws and power structures; Italians, Mexicans, Blacks…and jews, for a short period of time. However as we all know jews are looked at 10x more favorably than the previously listed minorities and didn’t have to resort to crime anymore.

 

[Sue Lightning]

On whether or not Phil was gay, it doesn't matter. The rules are the rules, and the other guys don't want to kill Vito because he brings in money, whereas Phil held on to mafia values as a way to survive in prison, though I'm not sure how long he was in there. He never says.
Anyway, it always irked me about people claiming because he came out of the closet that was suppose to be some huge clue.

Overall Phil being gay doesn’t really act as anything other than a motivator to kill Vito, but even then this is flimsy. Removed from the gay subtext it shows once again all these guys are hypocrites and pieces of shit. Vito is in the NJ crew and it’s Tonys decision what happens. Tony decides to give him a pass over the money he brings in. Phil is furious and comes up with multiple justifications that fall flat: “He’s married to my cousin”, yet refuses to help her out after killing her husband or even care for the kids. The issue is pushed onto Tony after he’s killed, and Phil doesn’t give a shit about honor. As far as the audience is concerned he’s pushing for it over the Billy Leotardo shit. The second, “This thing of ours has honor and rules”, is thrown out the fucking window by Phil and Tony himself. Tony clarifies that countless guys “get a pass” for gay prison sex showing that they constantly bend the rules. Then Phil not even a season later orders for Tony and most of his crew to be killed without permission from the other families, once again showing its not about the rules.

Then of course Tony realizes its too hot to have Vito working for him and decides to kill him anyway. However Phil doesn’t get the message and gets to Vito first. This in and of itself is another major rule break for the mafia. You can’t just go kill another families soldier especially when their boss says not to. And as a counter to the “Phil wants Vito killed because Phil is in the closet” look at the other characters. Why did Chris want Vito killed? Paulie? Bobby? Benny? Carlo? All of those characters don’t have a hint of them being gay but all hated Vito the same. Again the bigger message is them being hypocrites.

 

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If they could sweep every gang member off the street but chose not to theres no reason to let cartels or bloods and crips to run around. There are thousands of theories as to why the mob was ignored for those 40 years but its not like after they acknowledged it as real that was it.

We plainly have our government running cocaine and fentanyl from the Central American cartels going on close to forty straight years. And literally using the Green Berets to train the most violent Mexican drug cartels. Then stuff like Operation Fast and Furious to sneak military weapons shipments to the cartels secretly without any government oversight. On top of that pretty much all money laundering for drug dealers is ignored. And our borders are deliberately left insecure.

Everyone knows why this is done. To genocide Whites. You don't see the Mossad and CIA running mass cocaine and fentanyl flights into India and China. They just do it in America. The same jews that run these operations are the ones putting mass race mixing commercials everywhere. And promoting mass immigration into White nations by mud people.

The only way you destroy gangs is by cutting off the head. However, referring to it as self fulfilling, a new leader comes in unless you get everyone at the top. I’m fucking all over the place here but when they killed Osama Bin Laden and then his second in command who took over after it absolutely splintered Al Quada.

First off the heads of the (((mob))) don't even live in America or Russia or whatever. They all work from Israel. You would need to wipe out all of the Rothschild family and their branch families like the DuPonts. You could literally arrest every single mafia member today and it would make no difference as another organization would just come up a year or two later. This happened with the whole Donnie Brasco event. Where they took down one mafia family temporarily with an undercover operation only to have it reemerge a few years later with ten times stronger security against infiltration.

Second of all Bin Laden was dead before the WTCs came down. Why would Al Queda splinter when the CIA made a movie about Bin Laden dying in 2011.....ten years after actual senior members of Al Queda threw a funeral for Bin Laden and put his body into the ground? And not "flushed him down the ocean".

 

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I can't reply to all these posts because I'm mobile and I see thumb typing too fast has my shit full of spelling mistakes, but anyway.

I think it can be both true that Carmela is full of shit and she is trapped. I feel at times the whole being over Tony and his shit angle is just her being bored or slightly embarrassed at the time. She is incredibly cheap to keep around considering the cost is her children's lives. However, Tony does get her pegged when he noted that she would never have been satisfied with a square life, with a heart on a chain, or something to that effect.

She knows it's stupid to try and leave, but she also has flashes of having a conscious, at least until she gets a coat or a car or some other bauble to distract her for a while. If she truly despised him she would have just traveled with Rosalie all the time after the kids were grown, maybe always taking them with her, and only come back home every now and then. This is at the very least.

Does her fantasizing about Furio while Tony is huffing and puffing on top of her count as emotional sex in the show?

Richie and Ralph are two of the more interesting and fucked up characters on the show. Ralph specifically for how nonchalant he is about killing his girlfriend's son, but then also his weird affection for Janice, the character I probably hate the most.

I did make a note of the hard on talk with Richie, as well as the blow job scene, and you're right, his homosexuality is never brought up anywhere near as much as Phil's. I think people see him as this tough guy who would never be like that for some reason, when it's obvious he's very butthurt over a man not accepting his clothing gift. Dudes give their letterman jacket for a girl to wear, no wonder Tony didn't want that ugly shit.

Anyway, I agree with the Phil stuff concerning mob rules and decorum. Towards the end the show seemed to point more to how Tony felt in the first season, that being that he came in at the end of it all, when the old bosses were becoming demented or dying and the government didn't even give a shit about the mob anymore because of fighting terrorism. Everything unraveled and then it was over.

 

[Sue Lightning]

We plainly have our government running cocaine and fentanyl from the Central American cartels going on close to forty straight years. And literally using the Green Berets to train the most violent Mexican drug cartels. Then stuff like Operation Fast and Furious to sneak military weapons shipments to the cartels secretly without any government oversight. On top of that pretty much all money laundering for drug dealers is ignored. And our borders are deliberately left insecure.

Everyone knows why this is done. To genocide Whites. You don't see the Mossad and CIA running mass cocaine and fentanyl flights into India and China. They just do it in America. The same jews that run these operations are the ones putting mass race mixing commercials everywhere. And promoting mass immigration into White nations by mud people.

Everything you’re describing is on a GLOBAL level, not a federal one. There is no world where John Gotti was talking to the CIA or the “head of the crips” if that even exists is talking to some jewish string puller. The only way this is possible is if the juuu uses them as useful idiots to fuck up the masses. Also yes there are massive gangs in China, Japan, South Korea, Russia, the Phillipines, India, etc etc. Any area which is impoverished is more likely to commit crimes. Gang motives are usually always financial with violence being the end goal…or the other way around. So its a global phenomenon. America is just huge and also extremely racial so every race pretty much has a mafia.

First off the heads of the (((mob))) don't even live in America or Russia or whatever. They all work from Israel. You would need to wipe out all of the Rothschild family and their branch families like the DuPonts. You could literally arrest every single mafia member today and it would make no difference as another organization would just come up a year or two later. This happened with the whole Donnie Brasco event. Where they took down one mafia family temporarily with an undercover operation only to have it reemerge a few years later with ten times stronger security against infiltration.

Thats because the Italians knew what the fuck they were doing, as much as I hate them. They managed to sneak through law enforcement building their empires for 50 years before law enforcement acknowledged them. And of course the jewish mafia and murder inc helped them build it but like I said before the jews eventually rose in society out of gang and street activity. But they also built the 5 families system back in the 1930’s ensuring the system would stay viable as long as it did. The system ensured that there could be no one fall guy. Who cares about the 100 or so indictments from Donnie Brasco. The other 4 families picked it up and they rebuilt. I mean multiple times mob bosses have gone to prison or been killed and they have a succession in place….sometimes. Why do you think black gangs are so disorganized? They have no politics and their last real leaders were locked up 20-30 years ago. There is no real leadership structure with them. The only reason you could arrest every mafia member and do nothing today is because their membership has basically halved and they control a fraction of what they used to. But to your point about how it would come back again, refer to my last statement. Gangs and crime are a result of poverty and not being accustomed to society.

Second of all Bin Laden was dead before the WTCs came down. Why would Al Queda splinter when the CIA made a movie about Bin Laden dying in 2011.....ten years after actual senior members of Al Queda threw a funeral for Bin Laden and put his body into the ground? And not "flushed him down the ocean".

Please show me this i’m serious

 

[aRTie02150]

Jesus there are some long winded answers here.