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[guest]

Pats a fat faggot, but why not ask literally every other first world country in the world how universal healthcare worked out?

This is one of the most retarded things conservatives believe. If you truly believe that private healthcare is great for the average person and not a means for corporations to make bank, then you’re a retard.

I live in public healthcare it sucks compared to what I had in NJ for years. Waits, exclusions, holes in coverage, uneven distribution by geography. My USA private insurance was better, maybe in 2021 it wouldn't be, but it was in 2007.

 

[guest]

So you’re still paying more than you would with universal healthcare, and you’re tied to your job for it, and you’re… proud of it? You’re like that retarded coon who sat there going “what’s wrong with the beers we got?” Just a dumb fuck thumping their chest about getting fucked over because someone told them it was good. You’re Hank Hill paying sticker price for every car and thinking he’s getting a steal.

Someone summed up your ilk’s retard logic in the conservative hate thread- if a republican politician says something like “we won’t pay for those lazy bums” you retards clap like seals without realizing you’re being sold out. Guess who pays the hospital bill when homeless people skip out? You, you dumb fuck. Do you really think a bag of saline is $125?


And nice projecting. No one said income or anything like that. Let me guess- you’re against a higher minimum wage too. Guess where all those Walmart workers getting paid shitty wages are getting welfare from? You, you fucking idiot. Great job subsidizing the Waltons’ because a republican convinced you that higher minimu wage was bad. You’re already paying income for millions, you’re just too fucking stupid to realize it.

Dude, healthcare is a necessity not a right, that's the part you socialist defenders miss. We have tons of necessities, housing, food, healthcare, amongst the most important, but they aren't rights. We have rights to choose how we get those necessities , expecting others to pay your healthcare is a step away from them paying our food bill, or rent. As for the nonsense about Walmart, the reason the wage is low there is it's an entry level shitty job. None of what you said explains why you think the state forcing people to pay for a service that spreads equal care for unequal cost is a benefit. How is it beneficial to high earners?

 

[Porktrick_Slobinson]

Dude, healthcare is a necessity not a right, that's the part you socialist defenders miss. We have tons of necessities, housing, food, healthcare, amongst the most important, but they aren't rights. We have rights to choose how we get those necessities , expecting others to pay your healthcare is a step away from them paying our food bill, or rent. As for the nonsense about Walmart, the reason the wage is low there is it's an entry level shitty job. None of what you said explains why you think the state forcing people to pay for a service that spreads equal care for unequal cost is a benefit. How is it beneficial to high earners?

*this is Porktrick Jowlinson- I use retard passwords and forget what it is on my phone and vice versa

"expecting others to pay your healthcare is a step away from them paying our food bill, or rent. "

As I said in my post- you're already paying for it. Two ibuprofens at a hospital bill are $25- everything is overcharged an insane degree for a reason. When people don't pay their bills, people who actually do pay their bills end up paying for those who don't. The difference between that and people paying through tax is that in our current system someone making $50k or $100k is paying the same as someone making $100m. How is that better than both paying equal parts of their income?

"the reason the wage is low there is it's an entry level shitty job"

So because Walmart wants to hire people for shitty jobs that means that taxpayers should be covering the difference? When a Walmart employee is making poverty wages and ends up on welfare that means that American tax dollars are subsidizing Walmart employees. Please tell me how that makes sense. You're arguing that a billion dollar company should be getting help from average people to pay their employees.

"How is it beneficial to high earners?"

Ah, yes, after decades of wealth inequality increasing the real thing to worry about is high earners. Newflash: unless you're making 8 figures, you're not really a high earner. You're paying extra for people making more money than you. What do you think about Trump paying $750 in taxes? Did you pay more or less than that?

 

[NoBacon]

Pats a fat faggot, but why not ask literally every other first world country in the world how universal healthcare worked out?

This is one of the most retarded things conservatives believe. If you truly believe that private healthcare is great for the average person and not a means for corporations to make bank, then you’re a retard.

The best aspects of healthcare are the ones most privatised lol

you’re probably just poor.

Either way, I’d rather be in debt than dead. There’s a reason the US sells so many treatments and medicines to the rest of the world (or they’re stolen)

 

[Guyincognito]

Pats a fat faggot, but why not ask literally every other first world country in the world how universal healthcare worked out?

This is one of the most retarded things conservatives believe. If you truly believe that private healthcare is great for the average person and not a means for corporations to make bank, then you’re a retard.

First world countries with universal healthcare are only (and debatably) succeeding because the US is subsidizing medical innovations with its private healthcare system. Furthermore, private healthcare allows physicians’ salaries to be significantly higher than those at universal healthcare countries. This attracts the best and brightest to those positions which is why everyone comes to the US for complicated or important treatments

 

[Guyincognito]

So you’re still paying more than you would with universal healthcare, and you’re tied to your job for it, and you’re… proud of it? You’re like that retarded coon who sat there going “what’s wrong with the beers we got?” Just a dumb fuck thumping their chest about getting fucked over because someone told them it was good. You’re Hank Hill paying sticker price for every car and thinking he’s getting a steal.

Someone summed up your ilk’s retard logic in the conservative hate thread- if a republican politician says something like “we won’t pay for those lazy bums” you retards clap like seals without realizing you’re being sold out. Guess who pays the hospital bill when homeless people skip out? You, you dumb fuck. Do you really think a bag of saline is $125?


And nice projecting. No one said income or anything like that. Let me guess- you’re against a higher minimum wage too. Guess where all those Walmart workers getting paid shitty wages are getting welfare from? You, you fucking idiot. Great job subsidizing the Waltons’ because a republican convinced you that higher minimu wage was bad. You’re already paying income for millions, you’re just too fucking stupid to realize it.

A big part of the reason a bag of saline costs $125 is because the government waddled its bloated ass into the medical payer system. Healthcare costs skyrocketed the exact same time medicare/medicaid was instituted.

 

[NoBacon]

First world countries with universal healthcare are only (and debatably) succeeding because the US is subsidizing medical innovations with its private healthcare system. Furthermore, private healthcare allows physicians’ salaries to be significantly higher than those at universal healthcare countries. This attracts the best and brightest to those positions which is why everyone comes to the US for complicated or important treatments

This is something always overlooked, we literally subsidise global healthcare, these countries hailed as universal health care havens buy treatments from us on the cheap - or they just steal them with generic rip offs.

I understand it’s hard to swallow but profit drives innovation - and even though we’re being screwed to pay the tab, it’s still why that innovation is occurring at all.

I wonder if the Brits or Norwegians would like to start contributing their “fair share” than letting US insurance payers subsidise their medical developments?

 

[NoBacon]

A big part of the reason a bag of saline costs $125 is because the government waddled its bloated ass into the medical payer system. Healthcare costs skyrocketed the exact same time medicare/medicaid was instituted.

Also insurance companies always only agree to pay 10% of the bill, so hospitals have to inflate everything massively to claw some money back. That’s why an Advil costs 150. It’s not a conspiracy of evil, it’s an unfortunate side effect of a broken system - an unholy marriage of government and insurance lobbyists.

Trump making them publish their prices would have helped, but obviously orange man bad!

 

[Guyincognito]

Also insurance companies always only agree to pay 10% of the bill, so hospitals have to inflate everything massively to claw some money back. That’s why an Advil costs 150. It’s not a conspiracy of evil, it’s an unfortunate side effect of a broken system - an unholy marriage of government and insurance lobbyists.

Trump making them publish their prices would have helped, but obviously orange man bad!

And let’s not forget frivolous and hilariously overpriced malpractice lawsuits. Malpractice insurance nowadays is brutal. Docs and hospitals pass on those costs to patients

 

[NoBacon]

The reason attorneys can change 2000/hr is because they’ve spent their working life becoming specialists in their own niche. They’ve spent 20-30 getting into millions of debt before they even start practicing - then the good ones become experts in their fields.

If you need a lawyer and you need one who knows how to save you from a specific charge, you’ll pay what they’re asking.

Why do we view doctors any differently? They finish med school millions in the hole and need to start earning high to stay above water. If you’re in hospital and you need 4 or 5 physicians to examine you and treat you, why would you not think that’s an extremely expensive situation to be in?

I’m not arguing it’s morally right to cost so much, I’m just saying there’s a reason it’s expensive, and you would rather be treated by experts with their latest training and set up a payment plan - than be treated by some overworked depressed zombie in socialist country who’s about 30 years behind us in training and equipment

 

[Will Tate]

So you’re still paying more than you would with universal healthcare, and you’re tied to your job for it, and you’re… proud of it? You’re like that retarded coon who sat there going “what’s wrong with the beers we got?” Just a dumb fuck thumping their chest about getting fucked over because someone told them it was good. You’re Hank Hill paying sticker price for every car and thinking he’s getting a steal.

Someone summed up your ilk’s retard logic in the conservative hate thread- if a republican politician says something like “we won’t pay for those lazy bums” you retards clap like seals without realizing you’re being sold out. Guess who pays the hospital bill when homeless people skip out? You, you dumb fuck. Do you really think a bag of saline is $125?


And nice projecting. No one said income or anything like that. Let me guess- you’re against a higher minimum wage too. Guess where all those Walmart workers getting paid shitty wages are getting welfare from? You, you fucking idiot. Great job subsidizing the Waltons’ because a republican convinced you that higher minimu wage was bad. You’re already paying income for millions, you’re just too fucking stupid to realize it.

Dilate.

 

[Ant_It_Fun]

We have too many people living way too long as it is, Fatso. You included.

 

[guest]

The reason attorneys can change 2000/hr is because they’ve spent their working life becoming specialists in their own niche. They’ve spent 20-30 getting into millions of debt before they even start practicing - then the good ones become experts in their fields.

If you need a lawyer and you need one who knows how to save you from a specific charge, you’ll pay what they’re asking.

Why do we view doctors any differently? They finish med school millions in the hole and need to start earning high to stay above water. If you’re in hospital and you need 4 or 5 physicians to examine you and treat you, why would you not think that’s an extremely expensive situation to be in?

I’m not arguing it’s morally right to cost so much, I’m just saying there’s a reason it’s expensive, and you would rather be treated by experts with their latest training and set up a payment plan - than be treated by some overworked depressed zombie in socialist country who’s about 30 years behind us in training and equipment

Med school doesn’t cost millions, bro. They come out $200-400k in the hole

 

[Guyincognito]

Med school doesn’t cost millions, bro. They come out $200-400k in the hole

Yeah but they don’t start making doctor money until up to 10 years later or more. The highest paying specialties (ie ortho surgery), has 4 years as a general surg resident, then 4 years of ortho specialty then 2 years of fellowship (if you want to subspecialize). They don’t make real money til the fellowship period. And if you’re a gp, after malpractice insurance, you’re not making all that much at all

 

[Harry Powell]

Med school doesn’t cost millions, bro. They come out $200-400k in the hole

Sometimes.

a whole lotta docs are coming out with $500-600k now, not including undergrad, and the APR on the grad plus loan you take has creeped up into usurious territory - last I knew, getting close to 8%.

I know a guy who accrues over $100/day in interest.

but this gets into a whoLe separate topic about schools, admin bloat, student loans, and corporate healthcare.

 

[guest]

Yeah but they don’t start making doctor money until up to 10 years later or more. The highest paying specialties (ie ortho surgery), has 4 years as a general surg resident, then 4 years of ortho specialty then 2 years of fellowship (if you want to subspecialize). They don’t make real money til the fellowship period. And if you’re a gp, after malpractice insurance, you’re not making all that much at all

yes I know, I’m living it. And fellows don’t make real money either, it’s not until after you’re done with that.

GPs generally don’t do fellowships but they do get motherfucked. They come out at around age 32 or so and make $120-$150k and work shitty hours. It’s not worth it.

 

[guest]

Sometimes.

a whole lotta docs are coming out with $500-600k now, not including undergrad, and the APR on the grad plus loan you take has creeped up into usurious territory - last I knew, getting close to 8%.

I know a guy who accrues over $100/day in interest.

but this gets into a whoLe separate topic about schools, admin bloat, student loans, and corporate healthcare.

Any doc with 8% loans is a retard. Which is probably a lot of them because they’re shit with money. Interest rates are at an all time low, they can refinance that shit into the 2%’s

and yeah, schools as a whole are a ripoff

 

[NoBacon]

Any doc with 8% loans is a retard. Which is probably a lot of them because they’re shit with money. Interest rates are at an all time low, they can refinance that shit into the 2%’s

and yeah, schools as a whole are a ripoff

I’m a crappy sysadmin at a mid level job, which I’m now working remotely - I basically just play Xbox games pass and ignore emails and I make more money than the junior doctor I’m banging.

She works all the time - has to study constantly - works the most intense crazy job ever - is in generational debt and it’s all because of a naive desire to help people. In return she will just be ruined by some fat slob like Patrick in malpractice suits because of something she can’t control, or a slight mistake she makes while stressed beyond all reason trying to help.

you don’t even get a shred of respect as a doctor anymore, since they’re all seen as big pharma and vaccine shills now.

She’s much smarter than me and could have got the same computer science degree as me with a lot less effort - made more money and had far more career opportunities.

it’s pretty hilarious tbh.

 

[Harry Powell]

Any doc with 8% loans is a retard. Which is probably a lot of them because they’re shit with money. Interest rates are at an all time low, they can refinance that shit into the 2%’s

and yeah, schools as a whole are a ripoff

It’s scary as shit to refi your fed loans when you’re talking about such a massive amount. I don’t blame anyone for staying fed who isn’t 100% sure about their income level and job security.


a person with fed loans can switch into an IBR plan if they hit a rough patch. All kinds of forbearance and deferment options and shit too.

 

[NoBacon]

It’s scary as shit to refi your fed loans when you’re talking about such a massive amount. I don’t blame anyone for staying fed who isn’t 100% sure about their income level and job security.


a person with fed loans can switch into an IBR plan if they hit a rough patch. All kinds of forbearance and deferment options and shit too.

If we did become a universal healthcare socialist government tax payer funded system - the highest salary you could ever reasonably expect to reach would be a fraction of what it is now. The debt and ridiculous tuition fees would almost certainly remain the same.