Actual scene from Better Call Saul

[Chive Turkey]

I've defended BCS so many times on here but now I've just given up. It's like everyone here is deathly afraid of earnestly liking and discussing something that isn't "manly/macho/whatever". It's a very Cumia thing to do, everything that doesn't fall into your purview is either gay or for children.

I generally enjoyed BCS but you'd have to be crazy not to acknowledge that it's pretty flawed in terms of narrative. The writing just wasn't on par. A lot of sluggishness, blatant filler, pointless subplots that go nowhere and painful fan service. The contrast between the well-written parts and the cartoonish ones highlighted in the OP made you feel like you were watching two different shows spliced together. It's obvious they were making a lot of shit up as they were going along.

BB had that as well but it was generally solid up until the last season. BCS just meanders. I've still not finished the last two seasons because I can't be bothered to rewatch the previous ones and have to wade through a bunch of inconsequential bullshit just to get back up to speed.

 

[PogromStallone]

I generally enjoyed BCS but you'd have to be crazy not to acknowledge that it's pretty flawed in terms of narrative. The writing just wasn't on par. A lot of sluggishness, blatant filler, pointless subplots that go nowhere and painful fan service. The contrast between the well-written parts and the cartoonish ones highlighted in the OP made you feel like you were watching two different shows spliced together. It's obvious they were making a lot of shit up as they were going along.

BB had that as well but it was generally solid up until the last season. BCS just meanders. I've still not finished the last two seasons because I can't be bothered to rewatch the previous ones and have to wade through a bunch of inconsequential bullshit just to get back up to speed.

I struggle to think of any filler, just because it moves slowly, which was intentional, doesn't mean it's filler.

 

[johnnynoname]

I remember when Dexter was airing and Scott Buck uploaded a photo of himself and the other writers and it was just him surrounded by women in their twenties, lol. Everyone in the comments were raging.

what was up with the last season "big bad" who looked like a hybrid of David Beckham and Ryan Gosling?!

that guy was so handsome that he never worked again

 

[Voscabulary]

I struggle to think of any filler, just because it moves slowly, which was intentional, doesn't mean it's filler.

you're right, scenes like lalo showering at a truck stop and eating peanuts in a sewer were necessary character development and not at all filler

 

[BonnieMcFarlaneMe2]

this is a subjective opinion......however, literally NOTHING is worse than the last season of Dexter

The books were good. I’m sorry you’re so stupid.

 

[LingerLonger]

I struggle to think of any filler, just because it moves slowly, which was intentional, doesn't mean it's filler.

Literally any scene from a prequel is basically filler. All of the suspenseful scenes of Lalo versus Gus. You would have to be fully retarded or amnesiac to not remember that Gus is in Breaking Bad. He obviously lives. "Oh my god!!! Is Lalo going to kill Gus??". Any storyline about whether Nacho or Lalo would survive was for dummies. They have to be dead. Even Howard's death was beyond predictable. All suspenseful scenes in BCS that are not character development are pointless filler. We know that Jimmy doesn't lose to Howard and retains his law degree so their entire battle was a waste of time as it didn't develop the Saul character.

They went from Jimmy to Saul.......off camera......with no explanation. Five seasons for the one thing that everyone wanted. The transition into him being Saul. And we don't get it. Imagine if Star Wars prequels went from the second episode to the third starting out with him in the Vader costume with zero explanation whatsoever.

People shit on the Star Wars prequels for drawing out Darth Vader's life into three pointless movies when you could have done it in one. "Oh my god Liam Neeson and Sam Jackson are Jedi!! I wonder if they survive though?". Obviously not because they are all dead in the original movies. This is pretty much how all prequels are now. They are made for idiots.

 

[johnnynoname]

Literally any scene from a prequel is basically filler. All of the suspenseful scenes of Lalo versus Gus. You would have to be fully retarded or amnesiac to not remember that Gus is in Breaking Bad. He obviously lives. "Oh my god!!! Is Lalo going to kill Gus??". Any storyline about whether Nacho or Lalo would survive was for dummies. They have to be dead. Even Howard's death was beyond predictable. All suspenseful scenes in BCS that are not character development are pointless filler. We know that Jimmy doesn't lose to Howard and retains his law degree so their entire battle was a waste of time as it didn't develop the Saul character.

They went from Jimmy to Saul.......off camera......with no explanation. Five seasons for the one thing that everyone wanted. The transition into him being Saul. And we don't get it. Imagine if Star Wars prequels went from the second episode to the third starting out with him in the Vader costume with zero explanation whatsoever.

People shit on the Star Wars prequels for drawing out Darth Vader's life into three pointless movies when you could have done it in one. "Oh my god Liam Neeson and Sam Jackson are Jedi!! I wonder if they survive though?". Obviously not because they are all dead in the original movies. This is pretty much how all prequels are now. They are made for idiots.

have you ever used: "I think you're an asshole. STFU" as a response


HARD MODE: you can't reply to this post with
- "I think you're an asshole. STFU"
or
- "woozle woozle"

 

[Stent]

Lauded as a masterpiece and the internet jizzed itself over it, then it all fell apart and nobody gives a shit. They ran out of talent, material, and ideas.

Better Call Saul, Game of Thrones, Lost, True Detective, Westworld, The Walking Dead, Fargo, etc.

I had to search the name of Game of Thrones to even use it as a comparison. True Detective was a one season wonder no matter how hard anyone argues for the following season.

 

[Sue Lightning]

I would argue that Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul are equal to Dexter in that I cannot watch them ever again without being reminded how terrible the endings are. I can barely get through The Wire when season five comes around. Once these shows become popular they stretch them out until they are devoid of content and substance.

You would have to be a hardcore fan to sit through BB, El Camino, and BCS multiple times.

HOLD ON HOLD ON…busting into this thread late

Even if you don’t like BB ending it is ridiculous to compare it to Dexter.

We sort of have to recap Dexter to understand why its so bad. The entire show is about a guy killing people he deems as worse than him. However underpinning the show is “killing is wrong no matter what your code or morals are” or thats what it should have been. And what happens at the end? Nothing. He doesn’t go to jail. He doesn’t face any repercussions. People don’t even find out he’s a fucking serial killer. He just gets to live another life far away knowing his sister is dead. It completely kills whatever the series was trying to imply by telling the viewers “killing is ok and you won’t face any consequences if you believe it’s justified.”

Now you have Breaking Bad. My only real problem is how everything is wrapped up in a bow. Sure, Walt doesn’t get his money back and his family is ruined and he dies. But he never faces legal consequences, his family DOES get some money, he saves Jesse while murdering all the Nazis, etc. It’s just too perfect and almost too redeeming for how terrible Walt was as a person. But again compared to Dexter at least Walt faced SOME consequences. His family fucking hates him. Everything he did was basically for nothing as he won’t even get credit for the money he leaves for them. Everyone knows he is a meth cook. And he dies.

 

[Sue Lightning]

Literally any scene from a prequel is basically filler. All of the suspenseful scenes of Lalo versus Gus. You would have to be fully retarded or amnesiac to not remember that Gus is in Breaking Bad. He obviously lives. "Oh my god!!! Is Lalo going to kill Gus??". Any storyline about whether Nacho or Lalo would survive was for dummies. They have to be dead. Even Howard's death was beyond predictable. All suspenseful scenes in BCS that are not character development are pointless filler. We know that Jimmy doesn't lose to Howard and retains his law degree so their entire battle was a waste of time as it didn't develop the Saul character.

They went from Jimmy to Saul.......off camera......with no explanation. Five seasons for the one thing that everyone wanted. The transition into him being Saul. And we don't get it. Imagine if Star Wars prequels went from the second episode to the third starting out with him in the Vader costume with zero explanation whatsoever.

People shit on the Star Wars prequels for drawing out Darth Vader's life into three pointless movies when you could have done it in one. "Oh my god Liam Neeson and Sam Jackson are Jedi!! I wonder if they survive though?". Obviously not because they are all dead in the original movies. This is pretty much how all prequels are now. They are made for idiots.

Look I like BCS but my biggest problem with it is the fact that it is clearly a contextually laden prequel but they tried to sell it as “You don’t even have to watch Breaking Bad to get it!” when you absolutely do. The last season is the perfect example of this. Any viewer only watching BCS would have thousands of questions they don’t get answered until they watch BB. “Why is Saul in black and white now and working at a Cinnabon? Who are these two guys in the RV? Who’s this woman talking about her dead DEA husband? Wait, that was the last scene with Gus? He drinks wine and walks away? What happens to Mike? He works for Saul now?”

Where Breaking Bad did pretty ok with not being planned from the beginning BCS fails at this. They spend an entire season on the lab from who built it to how complicated it was to almost getting found out…and it gets resolved by Gus going “Start construction tomorrow” and it gets finished off screen by an unknown crew. This is the same deal with Jimmy becoming Saul. Where did the house come from? How did he decorate it like that? Where did the Cadillac come from? How did he get the inflatable from the Kettlemans? How did the design of the building drastically change in like 2 years?” And then this extends to the entire character of Nacho. Literally what the fuck was the point of his character other than to die and take the fall for pretending to kill Lalo who wasn’t even dead.

 

[BonnieMcFarlaneMe2]

Look I like BCS but my biggest problem with it is the fact that it is clearly a contextually laden prequel but they tried to sell it as “You don’t even have to watch Breaking Bad to get it!” when you absolutely do. The last season is the perfect example of this. Any viewer only watching BCS would have thousands of questions they don’t get answered until they watch BB. “Why is Saul in black and white now and working at a Cinnabon? Who are these two guys in the RV? Who’s this woman talking about her dead DEA husband? Wait, that was the last scene with Gus? He drinks wine and walks away? What happens to Mike? He works for Saul now?”

Where Breaking Bad did pretty ok with not being planned from the beginning BCS fails at this. They spend an entire season on the lab from who built it to how complicated it was to almost getting found out…and it gets resolved by Gus going “Start construction tomorrow” and it gets finished off screen by an unknown crew. This is the same deal with Jimmy becoming Saul. Where did the house come from? How did he decorate it like that? Where did the Cadillac come from? How did he get the inflatable from the Kettlemans? How did the design of the building drastically change in like 2 years?” And then this extends to the entire character of Nacho. Literally what the fuck was the point of his character other than to die and take the fall for pretending to kill Lalo who wasn’t even dead.

I’m so glad that I tapped out of Breaking Bad so I wasn’t subjected to BCS either.

 

[satanssockpuppet]

the last two seasons of better call saul were shockingly bad. what was that absolute rubbish with gus having an underground hideout connected to his neighbour's house, along with a decoy of himself living in place of him at his home? two seasons ago it was a compelling lawyer drama; what the fuck happened

Same thing that happened to BB. You had a fun story about two guys in over their heads in the meth trade, then suddenly they're being held in underground prisons and mowing down Nazis.

 

[KaNAMBLA Harris]

I like Better Caul Saul

S’aul goodman, haha!