Where we at with Genesis?

[UnPRePared]

As many of you know, I go DEEP with the FAWKIN Genesis catalogue (sniff). And as we speak, Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford, and a certain slap-headed lead singer are touring your good ol US of A.

Is anyone here an actual fan of them? I very much love most of their songs, and still sing them on stage - at least the ones that work in my range (you'll probably never hear me sing "Dancing With The Moonlit Knight", sadly). Who here cranks "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway"? Blasts "A Trick of The Trail" in their crossover? Or indulges themselves on a family trip with "And Then There Were Three"?

I heard that one slaps.

 

[Jims_Maroon_Pants]

I like both versions of Genesis, and both Phil and Peter as solo but I don't really go deep (sniff) I'm just the hits guy. My friend did go see them a few months ago and they had to wheel Phil out and he only did a song or two. The drumming was done by his son

 

[Joe_Cumia_Eats_HUMAN_SHIT]

Big fan of da that's all and illegal alien

 

[JesseTheGovernor]

They suck. “I Can’t Dance” is one of the most annoying songs and music videos ever to me for some reason, and I hate Phil Collins and his oddly shaped head.

 

[UnPRePared]

Big fan of da that's all and illegal alien

I've sung "That's All" many times. Simple song but a great beat to it.

"Illegal Alien"... Nir asked to play it during the Calling All Stations tour, ONCE, and heard hell for it. Mike said they retired it after the Mama Tour in '84, because of the criticism they got over it, and Tony said "Please don't ever ask to play that again." Felt a little bad for Nir on that one.

 

[sShenaniganz]

 

[UnPRePared]

I like both versions of Genesis, and both Phil and Peter as solo but I don't really go deep (sniff) I'm just the hits guy. My friend did go see them a few months ago and they had to wheel Phil out and he only did a song or two. The drumming was done by his son

Yeah, my American fan is a very big Genesis follower, and he's told me about the tour.

I love to make jokes about him because, at my age, I have good humour over my dismissal and don't mind jokes at my expense over it, but it is sad to see him like that. Aging is a bitch.

 

[DeadWithoutMyDavid]

80s pop synth band that for some reason is revered like a legendary rock band. If someone invited me to a Genesis concert I would treat it as though I was going to see Flock of Seagulls or Kenny G.

 

[UnPRePared]

They suck. “I Can’t Dance” is one of the most annoying songs and music videos ever to me for some reason, and I hate Phil Collins and his oddly shaped head.

Now I'm embarrassed to admit to you, but that's one of my most requested songs on every tour, so I do still sing it.

BUT, my version is arranged differently. It's not just to accommodate my voice, I give it more of a blues-vibe on stage. I feel it's a better song that way.

As for your second point - a certain goddess of a woman/dancer/Polish I know made that same comment to me once. I will neither confirm or deny that I agreed with a hearty chuckle.

 

[UnPRePared]

80s pop synth band that for some reason is revered like a legendary rock band. If someone invited me to a Genesis concert I would treat it as though I was going to see Flock of Seagulls or Kenny G.

Personally, from the "Shapes" album and "Invisible Touch", plus most of "We Can't Dance", I completely agree with you.

But "Duke" and the albums beforehand, especially the Gabriel era, I will argue they were very much a rock band.

Problem is, their best songs were usually long and complex to play live, so once they hit it big playing pop music, they didn't really want to go back to the old catalogue.

"Supper's Ready" is a 20 minute-plus long song, and a beautiful one at that - Tony and Mike would only let me sing the first few minutes of it on tour. They said it was too complicated and no one would remember it. Yet every time I sang that short section, people lit up with excitement and rapt attention, only to get deflated when they realized I was basically singing a short medley of it.

I get their feelings on it - they're rich and older, why break their back to play the deep tracks that were long before they got famous? Yet I don't think they understood how much of a following those classics had, and part of me feels they still don't.

Steve Hackett's Genesis Revisited and The Musical Box cover band prove my point.

 

[Not bad]

80s pop synth band that for some reason is revered like a legendary rock band. If someone invited me to a Genesis concert I would treat it as though I was going to see Flock of Seagulls or Kenny G.

70s and 80s Genesis is basically two different bands though. The respect they get is mostly because of their output with Peter Gabriel, even though they were more successful commercially in the 80s.

 

[UnPRePared]

70s and 80s Genesis is basically two different bands though. The respect they get is mostly because of their output with Peter Gabriel, even though they were more successful commercially in the 80s.

You are very much correct, though Phil's first two albums, especially their very first with him, are great too.

I think that's where the paradox lies with them, that their success is for one reason, but their appreciation mostly lies in a completely different reason. It's a Jekyll and Hyde existence, which is why I tried to push to bring some of those old songs back. I was just hired help, though, I couldn't push too much. And to their credit, they did humour me a little.

I think that's where some of their sensitivity comes in, the feeling that Gabriel's input from the old days still casts a shadow on them. Which I find odd, because Tony told me that Peter visited during the "Trick of The Tail" recordings and even told them how proud he was of what they were doing. It's quite a chip to keep on your shoulder.

 

[JoeBrotheChildSpitGuzzler]

 

[Mr. Faggotry]

I go deep with the Tarzan soundtrack.

 

[Mr. Faggotry]

General Frank Hummel was a coward and never had any intention of firing those VX rockets on the 49ers game.

 

[UnPRePared]

I go deep with the Tarzan soundtrack.

 

[JoeBrotheChildSpitGuzzler]

General Frank Hummel was a coward and never had any intention of firing those VX rockets on the 49ers game.

Eh he had more principles than the rest. They didn't have commitment, they just wanted the money

 

[Mr. Faggotry]

Eh he had more principles than the rest. They didn't have commitment, they just wanted the money

 

[Joe_Cumia_Eats_HUMAN_SHIT]

South Park lost best musical to Phil Collins so they named the sledding hill after him. Trey even said something like "I fucking hate Phil Collins."

 

[Gay Faggot.]

South Park solved this issue years ago, as people have been displaying. I’ve yet to not hear a dog shit Phil Collins song. End of subject!